This new topic was designed to divert the offtopic discussions from the place where they didn't belong to another where you can discuss, talk as such without disturbing the original topic content of the old thread.
Since the new topic of discussion seems to be focused on a particular subject, it has been suggested and confirmed to start a new dedicated discussion towards this intention.
This topic was titled "Ethnology of the Euro-Islamic movement" to meet the ideas that were evolving out of the old thread but is now modified since 1st Sep '11: 'The Islam thread (to end all Islam threads)' as the bloomin thing keeps creeping into topics, possibly to provoke or incite its discussions inappropriately.
It seems the title will stay, and the topics in the forum change from now on.
This thread can contain anything considered or best termed as Islamic degrading, it will be used for only this purpose.
Feel free to disuss in general but not over the top, or in digression.
Any post which is considered personally offensive or inappropriately placed should be reported to a moderator as directed in the Forum Rules & Faq (announcement.php)
Last edited by Tranzi; 09-01-2011 at 12:54 PM.
No where in the Qur'an or Sunnah does it say that advancing technologically is forbidden.
That's because most immigrants will naturally be poor. Also Islam didn't plunge countries into despair, Most "Islamic" countries are in despair because Muslims left the teachings of Allah and Prophet. Look at Malaysia for example, an advanced Islamic country, Iran, Pakistan.. Did you forget about the Golden Age?its rules have plunged quite a few countries and regions into despair. In fact, here in the NL, pretty much every street where the Islam is the main religion is a poor and often problematic one.
And here are some Non-Muslim Western thinkers quotes, about Islam in this subject.
“To seek knowledge is a duty of every Muslim man and woman. ‘Seek knowledge even though it be in china’. The savants are the heirs of the Prophets. These profound words of the great reformer are an indisputable contradiction to those who seek and exert themselves in putting the responsibility of the intellectual degradation of Muslims upon the spirit of the Qur’an. Let them read and meditate upon this great Book and they will read that the Prophet incessantly called the attention and the meditation of his people to the splendid marvels, to the mysterious phenomenon of creation. The incredulous, sceptical and unbelieving may convince themselves that the importance of this Book and its doctrine was not to throw back, eventually, the intellectual and moral faculties of a whole people. On the contrary, those who have followed its counsels have been the creators of a civilisation which is astounding unto this day”.
(Dr. A. Bertherand, Contribution des Arabes au Progress de Sciences Medicales, Paris 1883, p.6).
“It is to Mussulman science, to Mussulmsn art and to Mussulman literature that Europe has been in a great measure indebted for its extrication from the darkness of the Middle Ages.”
(Marquis of Dufferin and Ava, Speeches Delivered in India, London, 1890, p. 24)
“It may be boldly asserted that no people in the world give the impression of being so religious-minded as do Moslems. All of life is saturated with the consciousness of God.”
(Charles R. Watson, what is this Moslem world? London, 193, pp. 38-39)
“Many Westerners, accustomed by their history books to believe that Muslims were barbarous infidels, find it difficult to comprehend how profoundly our intellectual life has been influenced by Muslim scholars in the field of science, medicine, mathematics, geography and philosophy. Crusaders who invaded the Holy Land to fight Muslims returned to Europe with new ideas of love, poetry, chivalry, warfare and government. Our concept of what a university should be was deeply modified by Muslim scholars, who perfected the writing of history and who brought to Europe much Greek learning.”
(James A. Michener, “Islam – The Misunderstood Religion”, in the Reader’s Digest (American Edition, for May1955)
Because it is the word of God.Yet you and other Muslims believe in your religion, as if it is perfect. You reject the idea of trying to improve it. Why?
Last edited by Alex E; 04-13-2011 at 19:49 PM.
Aside from the fact that you're generalizing, what kind of misbehaving do you mean?To start with maybe, but if you look at Dutch farmers in the US: They started out with crap but are often doing great now. Hardly ever true in the case of Muslim immigrants in the NL And poor is one thing, but massively misbehaving..?
That's not the case with The Islamic Golden Age.Yeah we call the time we profited from aggressively colonized countries our Golden Age too...
I'd say it's the exact opposite.. also if you continue with that disrespectful tone (saying the Qur'an and the Bible are shitty books), I will not continue discussing with you. Let's keep it civil.I've started seriously reading the Koran myself, and so far I've seen that the most screwed up of those countries followed the Koran to the letter. Can't say I'm getting enthusiastic about it. (Same with the Bible btw, shitty books...)
There is a God. If I had told you that from when you were a baby you would've believed that too, just as you now don't think there is one. Let's not go there, you're basically trying to turn it in to a God doesn't exist debate.. Also what Darren said lol.There is no God. If I had told you that from when you were a baby you would've believed that too, just as you now think there is one.
Last edited by Alchemist; 04-13-2011 at 20:31 PM.
No I'm not. Men are seen as superior to women in the Islamic world.
Well Turkey don´t belong to the islamic world but I´m sure there is only a small decline of people who think men are over women in the islamic world... but not the vast majority
Current Top 5
1.Emika - Count Backwards (Marcel Dettmann Remix)
2.Woodkid - Iron (Gucci Vump Remix)
3.Sepalcure - No Think
4.Tale of Us - Winds of Change
5.Jacques Greene - The Look (Koreless Remix)
Enjoy my recent mix!
Last edited by Alex E; 04-14-2011 at 01:11 AM.
Nothing like bit of scare mongering piece of media......
Im sure you will feel right at home with this idiot.
Last edited by KI; 04-14-2011 at 01:09 AM.
Last edited by Alex E; 04-14-2011 at 01:10 AM.
You blasted the approach Alchemist took but then took the same approach yourself, that's why I raised the point.