Are Muslim over re act to Pope's speech

[Puppetmaster]

Are muslim over react to Pope's speech, tell me your opinion

[params7]

C'mon, who wouldn't expectthis from the muslims if only a cartoon is needed to set them on fire?

For gods's sake, be a little open, liberal muslims! Did christians have anything to say when Chris was hung upside down in Exorcist The Beginning? Do Hindu's and Africans have anything to say after Mahatma Gandhi was made fun of and teased at in Lagey Raho Munnabhai movie?

NO!


Beleive it or not, I'm ready to back this up if needed with pics and vids, Muslims may have been divided. Muslims, and Extreme Muslims. Those who are sitting ever ready to grab and exploit any oppurtunity they can to engage the world in another World War. These Extremeist, they are for total 'Allah' domination all over the world, and those who don't agree with it, don't deserve to live.
I bring this from the Kuran, rallies, etc.

I may have went a little off-topic there, but as to your question, Yes, muslims are over-reacting, and are indeed looking forward to do more. I just hope the Pope doesn't apologise, its opinion, or truth perhaps and they have got to learn to live with it in this diverse world full of hundred's of opposing religions.

[Puppetmaster]

C'mon, who wouldn't expectthis from the muslims if only a cartoon is needed to set them on fire?

For gods's sake, be a little open, liberal muslims! Did christians have anything to say when Chris was hung upside down in Exorcist The Beginning? Do Hindu's and Africans have anything to say after Mahatma Gandhi was made fun of and teased at in Lagey Raho Munnabhai movie?

NO!

This is exactly what i meant.. maybe it's not fair and also a bit to extreme to say but really... see'ing all those imo over-reactions it really gives me the feeling that certain muslim groups are just searching for small wars.

Beleive it or not, I'm ready to back this up if needed with pics and vids

Feel free, maybe's it's a good thing for this discussion.. maybe some people missed all those happenings.

[params7]

Oh well, don't blame me :P













http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4NqaotPa_E

http://www.techenclave.com/forums/re...yurl.com/dl2dm

http://www.foehammer.net/2005/06/thoughts.html

http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php

A quote from that Website^

We Muslims pray that may your sons/daughters come back home in body bags discombobulated from facing the wrath of Allah. May Allah s.w.t. punish them with the severest form of punishment in this life and in the hereafter. We make supplications in our prayers that may they never come back alive.

http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index...d=517&Itemid=2

Well there was actually more, i'm finding them. Though those are basically mixed views of Islams
and Muslims, some of them may seem to disagree with those views, those which have settled and accepted this globalised world and freedom of opinion. The rest, people can see for themselves....


Edit:
Here's what the Quaran has to say, in the end, contradicting itself.

Quote from the Quaran :

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

I quote others:

The Quran is full of contradictions.... on one hand it says Women are to be respected. And on the other hand it says "Women are like your fields... you can enter them as and when you please".

Once it says "Jews are to be respected because they are so similar(the Muslims and the Jews i.e) and on the other hand, it says kill all non believers....

Also preached by Quaran:

1)Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61

2) Jews are the greediest of all humankind. 2:96

3) Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51

4) "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

5) Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

6)Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

7) hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5

8) Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59

9) Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63

10) Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64

11) Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29

12) Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30

All these points just prove how right the Pope actually was :P


Edit: More.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXD_GUY6y8

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

[Alex E]

There's really no point in discussing this. Not that I'm pro-muslim, don't get me wrong. I'll explain why:

Like the people in any other belief (excluding the open minded Buddhism, best belief next to Atheism imo) they're not op for suggestions and think that they're always right. Even the women are completely indoctrined with the idea that they're "fields" (read params7's post for explanation). There is no way you're going to explain to them that they're wrong. Even if you tell that what they're saying is the opposite of what they said before or what their belief says, they'll still want to hunt you down and kill you because you're not agreeing with them. And that's the whole problem with the islam and it's muslims. They're so fucking full of themselves, always thinking that they are right, what their leaders say is right, and that there is an allah who is almighty. Yet "Almighty All" doesn't seem to be powerful enough to turn all people into muslims. Strange, isn't it? But anyway, my point is that extremist muslies ar so indoctrined the I'm-right-and-you're-wrong idea that there's no way you're going to convince them to become normal, clearly thinking people.

Than there is something else. Like params7 shows with his pictures: those people seem to be against human rights and democracy and stuff. I just hope that there comes a point where they'll realise that the only reason that they haven't been completely whiped out with atomic bombs is that we DO have human rights etc. But hey, let them come. More and more the muslim world and the rest of the world are growing angry at each other, and at some point, there's probably going to be a huge war. But I know the outcome when it's A-llah versus A-bomb and co. I hope they know it too (check Israel vs. surroundings). And if there's going to be such a war, it's over. The western world will be so anti-muslim that they will throw all muslims out, and that will probably mean they're finished. A sad end of this, but I fear it will come to that.

Another thing: When you hear non-extremistic muslims talk about extremists, they all say that "those muslims" are making them look worse, or something silly like that. But I've never seen a muslim trying to stop the extremist part of his (no not 'her', because she's probably sitting at home, because she's not allowed to go out) belief. So all-together, it's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

I want to conclude with mentioning that I'm not against people who have a belief. BUT I AM AGAINST WOMAN-SUPPRESSION, SUPPRESSION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND OPINIONS, AND SUPPRESSION OF DEMOCRACY!!!!

While typing the above, I realised that it is useful to discuss this. Not because we can turn extremists into normally thinking people people, but to remember that we must not let ourselves be overgrown by extremistic muslims, and we must know where to draw the line. Sorry for those muslims in here who are normally thinking by the way, I really am, that those other suckers are doing this.

Well that's all. Not completely on-topic. But you'll find my opinion on the subject somewhere too I think.

[Vascog]

You know what, i will say that they are over reacting, but in todays society the musliims are really the only people who still hold their god at such a high status and they take their religion very seriously.. as they've provven in the past.. they ARE over reacting, but we should come to expect this from them by now.. and looking over their beliefs.. it does seem that they are hate filled... no offense.. but your motto should be live and let live, not live and warship 1 god and hate all others who oppose your faith, what kind of a god would want his children to live their lives in hate and ignorance?

[joeniargo]

I'd rather make a brand new religion: Trancereligic, with the Prophet Armin Van Buuren, and the priests is all Trance DJ in the world.
The GOD..? who else...? me..!! LOL...

[Vascog]

all praise lord niargo!

[bhpSC]

I don't know what the muslims want.
If they heard the speech of the pope they would understand that he isn't against the muslims. I think they just want a war against the Western world.

[2030]

The pope has performed a miracle with its speech about Islam. Hes made many blind ppl see the truth about Islam. Some ppl think we should avoid confrontations at all times, but sometimes things have to get bad before they get good again.

[Vascog]

i don't see your point rd.. he knows this is a hot subject and wil only lead to the death of innocents somewhere down the line, the unspoken is best left.. UNSPOKEN.. who knows how many people will die now because the pope had to run his mouth? these religious bullshit wars have gone on for too long and jusitified no means the casualties that have occured because of them, pope can talk smack and sit back in his pope chair and his pope hat, but innocents on the streets will suffer when the muslims counter-strike with a bomb, or a plane through your buliding.. or something to that extent, and these people had to die because the pope wanted to continue a century's long war about religion that hasn't gone anywhere before and has only led to more division and deaths??? DUMB.

[2030]

i don't see your point rd.. he knows this is a hot subject and wil only lead to the death of innocents somewhere down the line, the unspoken is best left.. UNSPOKEN.. who knows how many people will die now because the pope had to run his mouth? these religious bullshit wars have gone on for too long and jusitified no means the casualties that have occured because of them, pope can talk smack and sit back in his pope chair and his pope hat, but innocents on the streets will suffer when the muslims counter-strike with a bomb, or a plane through your buliding.. or something to that extent, and these people had to die because the pope wanted to continue a century's long war about religion that hasn't gone anywhere before and has only led to more division and deaths??? DUMB.

You miss the point IMO.
When muslims blow up some civilians, it doesnt mean you did something wrong. It means they are crazy.

Similarly when the pope says something and muslims kill ppl, it doesnt mean he said something wrong. So this violence is inevitable, because evrything the west says is wrong. It will always be inevitable when you admit that we are wrong, and that is what you are suggesting. Itll only make it last a thousand more years.

It becomes quite confusing for yourself when you blame ppl for not being silent. You worry about ppl dying from violence, but you condemn ppl that dare to speak to death by saying they made a mistake.... that is what Islam has in mind for them. And that is what you agree with by being silent.

You have to hold the right ppl accountable for violence... not the innocent.

[Arcana]

yes they are

[Mr. K]

How many people must they kill before they convince us that their's is a peaceful religion?

It saddens me to say that studies report around 30% of Islam followers to be extremists... but ive got to say that number might be a little higher; either way, thats close to 300 million nuts on the loose...

hopefully someone will deal with this growing problem soon.

[Vascog]

yes i see that, but everyoen already knows they're crazy, and when you know someone is a crazy fuck and will do anything to anyone, you STAY AWAY, it doesn't take balls to say that alot of muzzies are straight up fuckin crazy, especially when you're protected by your papial counsel andd god knows who else.. but the pope saying that they're crazy will lead to the death of more innocent people, now if he didn't say they were crazy fucks ALOT of people wouldn't have lost their lives in the near future... everyone KNOWS that what they are doing is wrong and that alot of them are out of place.. BUT, saying theirs is a hatefilled religion and that it's bullshit IS adding fuel to their fires and just giving them more want and need to blow shit up and kill random people, there will never be peace between us but if in the middle of the battlefield both sides have stopped shooting to reload and there is calm for a while, it is not smart for one side to throw a grenade at the others while they are reloading. the popes words didn't do shit except piss off more crazy motherfuckers which is going to lead to the death of more civilians, if he wasnt a pussy and wanted to take action, he should assemble some kind of heavenly papial army and send them to go take out the crazy motherfuckers, but running his mouth and not doing shit about it is going to get INNOCENTS killed, you're saying that not saying what the pope said would have led to more war, but this war will always be going on and will never end, theres no reason to give the crazies more incentive to kill us, they have no regard for human lives, including their own. why would you tell people like that that they're crazy and their religion is bullshit?. going to get more poeple killed needlessly, either take action and send some fucks to go wipe out alqueda, or please STFU pope. you idiot. this will probably lead to 5 or 6 random suicide bombers, a few hijacked trains, maybe a few exploded/hijacked 747's.. and why? because the pope felt like he had to put some extremist muzzies in their place? they'll never acknoledge that shit, he's just made them angrier.