@Jetflag what do you make of Owen Jones take on immigration and crime?
22K likes, 198 comments - owenjonesjourno on June 11, 2026: "The right-wing arsonists claim that violence is spiralling because of migrants. That is a lie.".
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So its 21 degrees here now and, as I somewhat expected, He, as per usual, bends the picture through selective framing. strawmanning, in part rehashing part of toms earlier fallacious point and (deliberately) not understanding a Simpsons Paradox e.a. a “drag down” effect.
So the argument goes something like this:
Daily Express:
Here’s a recent uptick in “Crime” (sex offenses/ armed robbery) based on x acquired figures from x demographics in this x area!
Owen jones:
You lie wacist! Your own (national big aggregate) data (in 2026) clearly shows that “Crime” (everything from parking tickets to multiple homicide) has decreased steadily from the 90’s onward! So.. with overall crime go down, overall immigration go up -> Therefor, more immigration = Actually less crime! Checkmate conservatard!
Yeah… No.
1: Crime has been going down long before the Boris or Blair immigration waves. The trend has seen a constant declining since at around the 90’s. So it’s demonstrably not the (recent) mass influx of immigrants that is causing or aiding the decline. If anything its proof that the majority disgusting huaite native britton gammons like you
have been “behaving” better and better for 40 years now (and it has a lot to do with other factors but that aside). And because they’re (still) the majority ->the trend goes down. Despite the disproportionate higher per capita crime rate of certain immigrant demographics and in certain high profile categories (like sexual assault).
Again: Jones is either too dumb to understand a Simpsons Paradox, or too manipulative to honestly address it.
2: the statistics he uses (again) include
all crime going down. Everything across the board.. So less deadly manslaughter in traffic because cars got safer = the same as Rape or violent robbery with a stab weapon.
which of course, they’re not…the cases in the aggregate data he uses to make his point are dissimilar. And for the most part not what “the right” for that matter are concerned about...and Jones I think knows this perfectly well.
Nobody cares about a decrease in overall bike theft throughout the years because of better locks… what people/the daily express/the “evil right” care about crime wise
(not getting in the other topics regarding the myriad reasons to be against mass uncontrolled immigration for this discussion) is an increase in the aforementioned high profiles like sexual violence & armed/knife robberies. Which have increased, with the growth of specific demographics, (e.a a wave), especially in specific areas, working against the overall trend but not enough to bring it down nationally, continuing the trend.
Now I don’t know if this was purely an attempt to “pwn” a former spectator commentator which he really hates by using “his” data sets against him and making him look stupid, and do some hoarty propaganda while he’s at it,
(and why on earth he would dissect a 12 year old article of all things at that but that aside))
But I Verdict this a poor (excuse) argument non the less.
