UFOs and Aliens

dmgtz96 · May 6, 2021

Hensmon said:
How about the two Nasa astronauts testimonials then? They are kind of in that sweet spot between academic professors (degrees to match) but also in the position to have direct contact with the best monitoring equipment and personal experience. Cooper and Mitchell are both deceased now, but remained vocal on alien contact up until their death. What reasons would they have for the lies and the ridicule that accompanies?

Can you link me to those testimonials? I found a few "Nasa astronaut testimonials" on google, but I would like to know which you are referencing.

I like the interview that the Harvard prof did with NY Mag. Some interesting quotes:

The moral of the story is that even though we didn’t get enough evidence on this object to get an image of it, or be sure that it’s artificial, it is sufficiently intriguing. We should continue to search the sky for similar objects.

So the fact that we have this literature that is not scientific [about extraterrestrial life] should not prevent us from working on it, especially now that we have the ability, using telescopes and instruments, to answer this question of whether there are technological signatures out there.

In the context of objects like ‘Oumuamua, we should find more of the same and see if they are artificial. If there are reports of unidentified objects, we should use the best instruments we have to study them, rather than rely on evidence reported by pilots, who are not scientists.

(or extremely blurry videos of questionable origin

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The professor's response to the question, Last month Haim Eshed, the former director of space programs at Israel’s Ministry of Defense, told an Israeli newspaper that humans have actually made contact with aliens and have formed a “galactic federation.” What do you make of his claims?

Reporters never asked Haim Eshed for a document that substantiates what he said. We should not pay attention to someone that says something without evidence. It’s just a pity, because if you listen to too many people saying things that are not substantiated, then it’s hard for the public to select the truth from the noise

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

Hensmon said:
It's also not hard to imagine that an alien vehicle might not give off signals we can detect, or at all...or that pointing randomly into an infinite space hoping for a random signal to appear might actually be as luck based as it sounds.

no that is actually pretty hard to imagen given what we know about space, energy, entropy, (thermal) radiation etc. especially if you're talking about interstellar transport inside the Sol system. I can give you a whole washlists of reasons but the bottom line is: the minute something moves with (and even without) energy or thrust.. it becomes visible/detectable.. and you don't even need al that sensitive equipment for that.

There is not such a thing as actual stealth in (local) space, unless the alien's you're talking about are microscopic, which they aren't in this context of plane sized UFO's or larger.

what exactly is the nature of this signal you imagen we allegedly can't detect? because to me this just sounds like a massive appeal to ignorance. The Aliens of the gaps, if you will.

second:

if you don't want to be seen by earths global collective attempts at finding you, yet "accidently" still get picked up by a handfull of pilots and rando's your stealth either 1, isn't all that good which would make you visible to the rest of the planet including (rip) ARICEBO or SETI or 2, something else is going on other then extraterrestrial flying objects.

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

Hensmon said:
How about the two Nasa astronauts testimonials then? They are kind of in that sweet spot between academic professors (degrees to match) but also in the position to have direct contact with the best monitoring equipment and personal experience. Cooper and Mitchell are both deceased now, but remained vocal on alien contact up until their death. What reasons would they have for the lies and the ridicule that accompanies?

I see this constantly in these kinds of debates...who sais anything about them being liars? A lie is a deliberate act.

You know it is possible for someone to have genuinly experienced or seen something (especially in things like Earths 0 G, radiation flooded van Allen belt) without that thing being actualy real right?

I constantly see stuff that isn't there at closer inspection. When i'm under say: work-stress, I tend to sleep walk. which means that in the couple of seconds my brain's muscle v conciousness fluids are being stablized, I experience a period where i'm physically awake, yet (sub) consciously still dreaming. This results in things like actually seeing people walking on my balcony in the moonlight, or my bedroom floor being the ocean or whatever.. and then after a couple of seconds (or if my wife gently slaps me), my neocortex stabilizes my hippocampus, and things return to normal. So thats me, a university graduated architect, who's never done (hallucinogenic) drugs.. On earth, an environment in which I evolved as a species, in my own flat that i partially self build/renovated, genuinly seeing the bedroom floor as the ocean.

I don't know how about you but i find it infinitly more likely that out of 600 austronauts who have been shot up there, under stressfull physicial and mental conditions, in a radiation flooded and very alien <- (pun) hostile environment.. have "seen" something that they interpret as an (alien) UFO, with no other method of verifying or detecting that claim... then that thing actually being an Alien UFO with all-known- science-out-the-window physics.

Astronauts, Generals, Professors or whatever expert you wish to bring forth are at the end of the day still just biologically flawed pattern recognizing apes like you and me , and that includes their brain, even though one could argue its better trained then most .. they aren't Gods who's experience is 100% conform reality..

This is a problem with testimonial evidence anyways. there's no way to actualy verify the (physical) truth of what someone saw in X context...You can hook up a person who believes he's Napoleon incarnated to the most advanced lie detector in the world who will, on repeated attempts tell you that yes. this person is telling the truth when he sais he's napoleon incarnated..

That still doesn't mean he's actually Napoleon incarnated.

And EVEN with all that. not saying they perse do. but experts can also still, on top of that. Lie. Humans lie all the time. or are you suggesting that there's no possible way these people could ever lie?

Hensmon · May 6, 2021

Hold on @jetflag, by your own logic UFOs simply cannot be visiting Earth because it would require them to be moving in ways that completely break and move outside of our understanding physics and science. If they are travelling here using new/broken physics how could you presume to understand their capabilities of things like stealth, or even expect SETI to be equipped to detect and understand that phenomena? By definition it is beyond our understanding.

However If SETI did come out and say 'we are picking up signatures of aliens all over Earth' you would likely say that is more gov misinformation and/or conspiracies I assume, due that same aforementioned logic? So the back and forth on the SETI aspect of the debate is a little but pointless i'd say.

I do like your next post above about humans tendencies to associate and misrepresent visual things, look for patterns etc, which I will respond later when i finish work

Archon · May 6, 2021

Hensmon said:
By definition it is beyond our understanding.

And yet what you don't understand you attribute to aliens. Ever heard of a phrase "God of the Gaps"?

To be honest, the world's smartest people (who are much smarter and more educated on the matter than us few), on top universities all over the world, in the top companies in that field are constantly gathering data, testing/proving their hypotheses, theories etc. in every scientific field, and some are applying that knowledge and testing theories on practical matters (such as NASA's JPL, which is the leading company in its own field, and if someone will figure out something we don't know regarding space travel, they will). It's how we travelled to Mars, and are now testing flight on it (via Ingenuity).

Coming out here while not being a scientist yourself and saying they are or the knowledge they have is wrong is frankly a bit disrespectful to them and the scientific method. I think, if what you say is true, they would've figured out before you even knew it. And by "they" I don't mean a couple of dudes, but the majority of the scientific community.

Ever wonder why the majority (and the cream of the crop) of the scientific community just don't engage in matters such as UFOs and aliens? Why do you think nobody is bothered by this, only a small minority of people?

dmgtz96 · May 6, 2021

Gagi said:
And yet what you don't understand you attribute to aliens. Ever heard of a phrase "God of the Gaps"?

To be honest, the world's smartest people (who are much smarter and more educated on the matter than us few), on top universities all over the world, in the top companies in that field are constantly gathering data, testing/proving their hypotheses, theories etc. in every scientific field, and some are applying that knowledge and testing theories on practical matters (such as NASA's JPL, which is the leading company in its own field, and if someone will figure out something we don't know regarding space travel, they will). It's how we travelled to Mars, and are now testing flight on it (via Ingenuity).

Coming out here while not being a scientist yourself and saying they are or the knowledge they have is wrong is frankly a bit disrespectful to them and the scientific method. I think, if what you say is true, they would've figured out before you even knew it. And by "they" I don't mean a couple of dudes, but the majority of the scientific community.

Ever wonder why the majority (and the cream of the crop) of the scientific community just don't engage in matters such as UFOs and aliens? Why do you think nobody is bothered by this, only a small minority of people?

Exactly.
Even Harvard professor Avi Loeb, probably one of the more serious proponents of aliens within academia, warns us of trusting blindly claims made without evidence. He wants the scientific community to begin studying phenomena like Oumuamua seriously and figure out if other objects like it exist in the universe. He's been careful about saying "yes, aliens exist" and phrases his interest as "aliens could exist, the probability of us being alone is low."

Ultimately, anything to do with aliens/UFOs is related to science, so it needs to go through the same due process that exists in the other fields of science. If there is not enough evidence or rigorous analysis, you should not claim these things as a fact. Even with some evidence and analysis you might (at best) keep your possibilities open, as Avi Loeb is doing: aliens could exist, and it's going to stay that way until we literally see an alien on Earth on high-quality, unadulterated videos from multiple sources (everyone has smartphones), and trusted professionals (not the US military) can confirm that it's real.

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

Hensmon said:
Hold on @jetflag, by your own logic UFOs simply cannot be visiting Earth because it would require them to be moving in ways that completely break and move outside of our understanding physics and science. If they are travelling here using new/broken physics how could you presume to understand their capabilities of things like stealth,

However If SETI did come out and say 'we are picking up signatures of aliens all over Earth' you would likely say that is more gov misinformation and/or conspiracies I assume, due that same aforementioned logic? So the back and forth on the SETI aspect of the debate is a little but pointless i'd say.

My position(s) are:

- You can’t break physics -> Therefor aliens aren’t visiting us. ( in the manner that is being proposed here like UFO's travelling at mach 20 without any athmospheric shall we say..side effects etc.)

and:

- There’s no stealth in space (because you can’t break physics) -> Therefor alien’s aren’t (stealthly) visiting us.

these aren’t logically contradictatory when compared, and can be perfectly held at the same time. (in fact they compliment one another.)

Remember, i'm not the one proposing reality breaking physics (such as for instance mach 20 without air displacement , ftl or stealth in space etc) based on what we don't know (which is in essence an Aliens/God of the gaps argument)..You are.

I'm in the role of smugly and annoyingly debunking that, based on what we do know about the observable universe and the laws that govern it.

the fact that they (might) allegedly have physics more advanced doesn't mean they get to completely override or break the physics that we've determined to be factually true. in the same way that newtonian physics still exists and is perfectly valid. With GR and QM simply complimenting that on the larger/smaller scales.

As for Seti, they would have to come with evidence that at the very least is reproducable by peers (like a constant WOW signal, eminating from the same source and detectable by simmilar array's) , instead of "testimonies that they really really did get the signal, but can't find it anymore because reasons, of which i would be quite skeptical yes.

..As opposed to you, who would likely blindly and unquestioningly believe it because deep down, you want it to be true. and therefor are hesitant to question the validity or the (more likely) alternative. and as a massive sci fi/ futurism geek myself. Can relate, honestly I feel ya. but unfortunatly for you (and me) reality doesn't depend on our wishes.

thats just the way it is.

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

Hensmon said:
I do like your next post above about humans tendencies to associate and misrepresent visual things, look for patterns etc, which I will respond later when i finish work

looking forward to that

in the mean time: here's what I think is a nifty solution to the fermi paradox and/or how humanity (if you can call it that) and aliens (might) meet in the far future

Manofearth · May 6, 2021

I have to say it's been enjoyable reading through this thread, despite having no UFO experience or any knowledge to add on the subject whatsoever. Those comments and implications from John Ratcliffe and Pentagon cronies did come as a surprise to me, causing the proverbial eyebrow to raise. But like Jetflag, I can't settle my mind on the great distances of deep space and would wonder how they would ever arrive here, and why they would bother.

The only thing I will contribute is the distaste I have towards the angels and aliens comparison, that has been made a few times now. It is an utterly ridiculous comparison which cheapens the debate you are having. Intelligent life in the universe is highly likely to exist, whereas the concept of Angels is story, even outside of metaphysical concepts.

Archon · May 6, 2021

Manofearth said:
The only thing I will contribute is the distaste I have towards the angels and aliens comparison, that has been made a few times now. It is an utterly ridiculous comparison which cheapens the debate you are having. Intelligent life in the universe is highly likely to exist, whereas the concept of Angels is story, even outside of metaphysical concepts.

If I had to take a guess, I'd say the comparison was made purely because of an (almost blind) belief in something that hasn't been proven, only speculated on; also because people claim they have seen an angel or have been abducted by aliens etc. Both events are almost equally improbable (even if intelligent life exists!).

Manofearth · May 6, 2021

There is a critical difference between the two in that one is hypothetically possible and other completely impossible. To say otherwise is highly disingenuous to the overall debate.

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

Manofearth said:
The only thing I will contribute is the distaste I have towards the angels and aliens comparison, that has been made a few times now. It is an utterly ridiculous comparison which cheapens the debate you are having. Intelligent life in the universe is highly likely to exist, whereas the concept of Angels is story, even outside of metaphysical concepts.

Except that i've never compared the likelyhood of alien life to angels.. I said two things.

1 the chances of Aliens visiting us in the aforementioned context are slightly lower but up there with the angelic claim. This sais nothing about the likelyhood of Alien life in the universe in general

and 2, whether or not someone must automatically be LYING (which is a strawman by Twin Silo and Hensmon when someone claims not to believe X person) when he or she claims to have seen an Alien, or Angels. or a UFO, or a Unicorn or *insert here

"oh you don't believe x person when he sais he actually saw a UFO? you must therefor think they're all liars"

And the answer is No? not perse at least. One can genuinely be convinced of having seen an (alien) UFO or an Angel or whatever, and not lie about actually having had that experience.

Doesn't mean it therefor was actually an alien UFO (or an angel)

dmgtz96 · May 6, 2021

The "lying" comments started from here:

dmgtz96 said:
I hate to sound like one of those "fake news! The media is fabricating stories" people, but if I had to guess, my money is on that the video was created to justify funding the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. One of the consistent themes in the article is that the program lacked funding. If you were part of it, your job were on the line, and you knew higher-ups were skeptical about your work, wouldn't you try to make something up? "Hey, we totally have results, so fund us." The video is technically "official," but we don't know if it's true or made up.
I am especially skeptical about Robert Bigelow. He might be a billionaire, but he was the recipient of the funding for the Pentagon program. How convenient that he is convinced aliens exist. He also wanted to restrict the program to a small number of officials. In my opinion, these are HUGE red flags, and Mr. Bigelow is full of shit.

Then it went here:

Hensmon said:
The problem with the character assasination approach i.e 'he's lying for money' is that it can only go so far.

Kept going:

TwinSilo said:
You cannot get a more credible and expert group of individuals than what I listed. Their findings from 1999 mimic exactly what is being said by the US in 2021. So the explanations I can see in thread would be ‘they are all lying’? Based on what exactly? What evidence would you put forward for that?

TwinSilo said:
There was some photos I posted previously. You either believe they are real images or you don’t. You also saw the 3 pentagon videos, but also believed the data and testimonials on those cases to be lies from all involved. If I showed you a video right now of a UFO flying above New York and the Pentagon saying ‘that’s not within our inventory and not within human technology’ I would assume that your position would be the same, ‘it’s lies’. So how would images or videos be relevant in this debate to you? You’re asking for evidence you would never accept. I think that’s fair enough actually, as images and videos in isolation are not enough.

Jetflag's response:

jetflag said:
2, Assuming a government and/or security agencies lying to suit their needs/agenda is a less absurd and fairly mundaine proposition then Alien Ufo's breaking hard proven "reality"rules of physics. So if I had to choose between
A: the CIA is telling us a story to for instance distract from something else in the field (like we've seen with area 51 in the past for example)

and

B: "Aliens are visiting us in shiny metal objects travelling at mach 20 without any air displacement."

I choose A from a rational perspective,

Jetflag and I never said that if anyone observes an UFO, they must be automatically lying. We were discussing strictly in the context of government/military organizations around the world.
I've stated before that I don't trust the American military at all, and honestly I am pretty distrustful of government officers/politicians in general, so I will be extremely skeptical of UFO comments made by them.

Archon · May 6, 2021

Manofearth said:
There is a critical difference between the two in that one is hypothetically possible and other completely impossible. To say otherwise is highly disingenuous to the overall debate.

Yeah but that's why I said almost. The difference between the two happening is negligibly small. Like, what's the probability for an alien abduction? What are all the things that need to happen before someone is abducted by an alien?

First the chance of intelligent life happening - from billions of planets, only a handful are suitable for even microscopic life. Then there need to be millions of years worth of evolution to arrive at the intelligent life, which means that the home planet needs to be suitable for life for millions/billions of years, all in our time span. Then the intelligent species must be more intelligent than us to be able to find us and travel to us, which means they need to have a headstart on us for thousands of years (disregarding the actual travel at this point).

Then they need to find us out of billions of other planets from far away (and they will always be looking into our past from wherever they are looking for, because light can only travel so fast). Only recently we've started changing the way our planet looks with cities, exploring space and emitting radiowaves etc, so that's something that will only get noticed near our nearest stars at this point in time. So let's say stars within ~50 light years from us. There are only 23 planets 50 light years away or nearer that are within the habitable zone from their Sun (compared to its brightness, radiation etc); not all are habitable, and only a few have been confirmed to be actually rocky - there also probably needs to be some water, which means being hit with a couple of water-carrying comets or asteroids, which adds another layer of small probability to our "equation". Not to mention, we probably haven't found any actual artificial emitted light from those planets.

Then comes the actual space travel part. Let's say that they are on one of those 23 planets, and if they are able to travel almost at the speed of light, they would arrive within 50 years. If it's any slower, the aliens need to be alive for much longer. One solution to speed up is using a black hole as a slingshot (like in Interstellar; still slower than the speed of light), but that would mean their time slows down, and their every passing second would be years on Earth. The same applies for any near-the-speed-of-light travel scenario - the traveller would be alive, but would humans? So they would arrive even later, in Earth years. Not to mention that that (black hole slingshot) scenario is not very probable because the nearest black holes are away from ~1200 light years to more, and even those closest are not yet confirmed as black holes (the nearest confirmed is ~6000 light years away).

The existence of wormholes hasn't been proven yet (if I'm up to date) - it's only theoretical - so I can't and won't include speculative solutions (such as wormholes, Alcubierre drive etc.) as a possible scenario.

So even after all that, let's say the aliens arrived on Earth, didn't really get detected by a multitude of satellites or the ISS which record the Earth as they go around it, got near a city/village/etc without getting noticed by anybody else, and then abducted that one guy out of 8 billion people (even 1 in 8 billion as a chance is highly, highly improbable).

I really recommend watching more educational videos regarding astrophysics and science in general, instead of watching random documentaries and sci-fi movies, and educating yourself on the r/UFO or wherever. Firstly, everything about it is mindblowing, really puts everything in perspective. And secondly, it makes you question your own claims, especially about breaking the known laws of physics (such as travelling faster than speed of light, breaking physics etc.). If you know why the speed of light is the actual speed limit of the universe, you're less likely to say that we don't know how to break it. If anyone is interested, I'm willing to send them a couple of YT channels that are very informative but still accessible enough for everyone.

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

Gagi said:
The existence of wormholes hasn't been proven yet (if I'm up to date) - it's only theoretical - so I can't and won't include speculative solutions (such as wormholes, Alcubierre drive etc.) as a possible scenario.

its not just not been proven yet, they're flat out paradoxical.

Any FTL or apparant FTL system (and that includes one or two way traversable wormholes) is by definition a time machine, enabling paths in spacetime that lead back to before its origin.

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

dmgtz96 said:
Jetflag and I never said that if anyone observes an UFO, they must be automatically lying. We were discussing strictly in the context of government/military organizations around the world.
I've stated before that I don't trust the American military at all, and honestly I am pretty distrustful of government officers/politicians in general, so I will be extremely skeptical of UFO comments made by them.

I'll even, even though i 100% agree with this. Go as far as to say that the CIA or whatever might not actually be lying and its staff genuinly think its aliens.

still doesn't make it->therefor aliens.

or as my boi friedrich put it quote: "insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups it is the rule"

Jetflag · May 6, 2021

also: just in: great podcast/episode.

Hensmon · May 7, 2021

Good reading all this today. I want to come back to the cases the Pentagon has been releasing statements and videos of, and how it relates to the overall points around people in power lying and why that’s important In the debate.

In those incidents we have;

Military footage of the objects
Multiple pilot data
Multiple radar data
Multiple eye witness testimonials from pilots and on the ground
Pilot testimonials and data match
Data implies vehicles moving at 500gs + other impossible maneuvers
Pentagon Officials confirm footage, data, claiming the vehicles defy physics
Head of US Intelligence confirms that statement (among many others)

Here you can listen to one of the pilots talk about how the vehicle he observed has no wings, no tail, no engines, no heat signature, no plumes and that it actively blocks his radar (short clip). This is the story of multiple pilots. Testimonials discuss right angle maneuvers, as well as observing vehicles moving from upper atmosphere and then dropping and emerging from the ocean. The other pilots say the same and in great detail, for both the same and for separate events. These testimonials are corroborated by the data.

Here you can see a research paper (non military) by a US physicist. It looks at 3 cases involving different data and multiple testimonials. It includes one of the cases I’m talking about above - Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles

For those who don’t want to read, the paper concludes in favor of vehicles ‘beyond human capabilities’, pointing to movements such as ’46,000mph speeds’, multiple objects flying then dropping ’28,000ft to under the ocean in 0.78s’, ‘1000s of gs of acceleration’ with ‘no observed air disturbance’ and ‘no sonic boom’.

Due to 1,2,3,4 and 5 we can then say without doubt these are real encountered objects, and not geographical phenomena, human illusion or hallucination. So that theory can be ruled out. Each is captured on radar and across multiple instances, these are multiples events, sometimes multiple craft in a single event. Therefore we are left with two options; either everyone is telling the truth and these wingless objects are in fact moving at G-forces far beyond human possibility, with maneuvers that defy physics, OR the individuals and organizations involved are lying about what they’ve witnessed and the collected data too.

The lying aspect is crucial to the debate and a good and reasonable theory to discuss, I admit it could be true. However it's said that without the ‘lying’ variable in your argument you guys would be forced to concede that these craft are indeed Alien, unless you think it possible that humans have invented craft that can move at 1000’s of Gs? That’s why I keep bring it up. A debate against alien visitation must first work with ‘they are lying’ as the primary hypothesis. Either the multiple data sets are correct or they are not. I know some of you touched on it already, but I would like to know in (somewhat) detail what kind of theory you would put forward to explain specifically why they would collectively lie about all of this, and then what evidence you could find to support it. That’s a genuine ask, not an attempt be me to be facetious (I think a plausible theory could possibly be made).

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Regarding the astronauts Mitchell and Cooper. Attributing there cases to hallucinations/brain farts/visual tricks is not relevant with Mitchel and very unlikely with Cooper. Mitchel claims absolutely that aliens visiting, based on his conversations while in Nasa and the Military and what they’ve shown/told him. So this isn’t based on visuals. Cooper talks about seeing a fleet of 'flying metallic discs' at very high altitudes, moving faster than they couldnt catch, with multiple pilots also witnessing it (1957.) He also discusses in detail when a vehicle he had ‘no doubt’ was ‘not from earth’ landed in front of him, sat there and then flew off again at great speeds. He took pictures of it and talks in detail about the cover up that followed. Hard to sell either as a hallucination. Did the US then have metallic flying discs in 1957 arsenal, more powerful than current US inventory, and that they were secretly flying around on this day? It's possible, but you must admit very strange. Either way his belief also has a foundation of his experience of being inside the military/nasa and data he is aware of. So they must too be put into the conspiracy of misinformation. Quote from him;

“For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means”

The recent quote from the Chief of Israel's space program that we have been visited and made contact with aliens is also not based on something he has seen visually, so he also is added to the misinformation category.

Juna · May 7, 2021

Dudes you have dropped the serious knowledge and counter arguments here, it's good stuff, very good stuff. I don't know as much as you bros but some stories I have read about I find fascinating and maybe you have heard and will find them interesting too. Its just for fun to read and think about it., isnt it?

Do you know about the famous Pheonix Lights event in 1997? A V shaped ship come down over the mountain and hovered on top of the city of Pheonix, Arizona, each wing the size of an aircraft carrier and making no noise and then it disappeared in a blink of a eye. This was seen and reported on by thousands of the people in the city and then many more locations across the state the same night. The videos of the ppl talking about the craft are cool to watch on youtube.

The Governor of Arizona saw the event, his name is Phyfe Simmington, or something, let me show you his interview. He believes the it to be

, he also talks about the massive size and how he was told to cover it up too, but that might be a different interview.

Archon · May 7, 2021

Hensmon said:
Having said that there was one opportunity when the object dubbed 'Oumuamua' entered into our system in 2017. A rare and long lasting event which public scientists and professors could indeed study. Avi Loeb, highly acclaimed Harvard Astrophysicist, has come to the conclusion that is was an alien craft, and released a paper on that, with a focus on the speed of the object.

And yet the majority of scientists agree that this is an object not from the Solar system, and that its weird (it rotated across X and Z axes, and wobbled on Y axis quite a bit) and fast trajectory could be due to a violent process of formations of planets, which is much more likely than it being an alien craft.

They couldn't determine its chemical makeup, but I think they said it was red-ish, which could mean metals. It traveled very fast and they had limited resources regarding telescopes etc.

They simply had no concrete evidence to suggest it was of an alien origin, and any hypothesis suggesting that has been rejected.

I don't think you've researched this very well.

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