Hot Tuna
Senior Member
HIiiii Jetflag, how's the
going?
I for one will not be engaging any further
going?
I for one will not be engaging any further
he still at it isn't he? god bless the ignore buttonOk guys, let's not turn to mocking and bickering. Keep this as an argument about ideas, not about finger-pointing and labeling or calling each other names.
You're using it? Need an honest review.he still at it isn't he? god bless the ignore button
does the job well Saves me a lot of (highly presumable) cringeYou're using it? Need an honest review.
If there's one thing I've learned from you, it's to focus on the discussion itself and avoid ad hominemsdoes the job well Saves me a lot of (highly presumable) cringe
I blocked some guy named trancdanne and the ignore is an excellent feature.You're using it? Need an honest review.
The minute you have to attack someone and not the argument, you lost to any sane thinking human.If there's one thing I've learned from you, it's to focus on the discussion itself and avoid ad hominems
Like, I get where you're coming from, but you could say something similar about the illegal immigrants from Central America that risk their lives on their way to the US, through the Sonoran Desert and that could be kidnapped by drug cartels. The main difference (and what really matters) is that Djokovic isn't technically doing anything illegal here.But still think it doesn't really matter whether or not they allow him to stay and play. Something for which you have to carefully prepare, months in advance, to follow a strict regime, regarding diet, training and rest ... to be just put at the mercy of one officer, to ruin the chase of records and greatness... It can't be easy coming back from that. Even if he plays, I find it hard to believe he wins it.
this part:I'd need you to help me understand how similar a tennis player with a seemingly valid visa is to an illegal immigrant from Central America.
We shouldn't. This is not a matter of kindness. frankly I've never heard the name Djokovic before today and i genuinly do not give on squat about the man (or is it a woman? dunno even)this part:
Something for which you have to carefully prepare, months in advance, to follow a strict regime, regarding diet, training and rest ... to be just put at the mercy of one officer, to ruin the chase of records and greatness
I did specify that the main difference is that Djokovic hasn't done anything illegal (as far as we know). Apart from that, I don't see why I need to give Djokovic more empathy than I would to illegal Central American immigrants who also go through a grueling and dangerous journey just because he's a tennis player.
Correct. I appreciate this perspective.We shouldn't. This is not a matter of kindness. frankly I've never heard the name Djokovic before today and i genuinly do not give on squat about the man (or is it a woman? dunno even)
This is, AFAIK a matter of state-bullying against someone who did nothing wrong but is not onboard with "the narrative" Now the person bullied can be a saint or an asshole, thats just a partisan/tribal matter and frankly something (i think) is completely irrelevant.
its the State bullying/ being made an example of part here that should worry anyone (still) wanting to set foot in Australia.
As you pointed out, if Djokovic is allowed to stay and play, the stress from this entire situation could impact his performance.
My heart bleeds. Karma is a bitch.
It would actually be really bad if it turns out he did jump through all the required hoops and then the Australian government suddenly switched things up on him purely for political gain.That's not a jibe at you btw, you tend to be on the right side of things.
- If the court grants Djokovic a win, the government could once again cancel his visa and detain him.
Judge Anthony Kelly has noted that the ONLY ground the delegate relied on when deciding to cancel Djokovic’s visa is that:”the presence of its holder in Australia is or may be, or would or might be, a risk to: (i) the health, safety or good order of the Australian community or a segment of the Australian community”