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So I was relistening to Cor Fijneman stuff just now and noticed that the harmony in his & Tiesto collab called "Blaze Of Night" from 1998 sounds too similar to another track from 1993.

It can't be a coincidence, can it? :unsure:

Hammock Brothers - Blaze Of Night [1998]

General Base - Peace [1993]
 
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i don't see any problem you listen to what you like. the rest is legal stuff and not "your concern" (it's the concern of labels/artists/owners w/e)

not true, i like anticipation just because of how it sounds as a whole and don't care how much anyone have copied it, if someone would do it better (in my opinion) i would listen to it. and btw i can even point out what makes for me anticipation much better/interesting it's the breakdown at 2:52 the sound effects/synth and most importantly the bass and it's balance in mix.
I somewhat care because I think it's important that people know the truth, it's the same issue with Quench - Dreams and Lost Tribe - Gamemaster, or Jam & Spoon - Follow Me and Dumonde - Tomorrow, you can like both or you can choose one over the other but the truth will always be: The second one wouldn't exist without the first one, therefore the original gains more points just because of that.
The JvD remix of RAMsterdam is an incredible track - i dont care if its a rip-off...they made it better. It made Armin cry and thats good enough for me. It has one of the greatest chord changes in Trance history,just uplifting as it gets.

Look how many tracks rip-off Shamu/Strange World and no one ever complains haha.

With all due respect, but really? That's your best argument? Just because Armin cried all of a sudden the track became a masterpiece in the Trance genre? With all due respect but it sounds like a pretty lousy argument, if you ask me.
That's not a good mentality to have, since that opens up mediocrity and plagiarism.
In the hip hop and trip hop world, it is common to sample tracks from past producers, which is why many of those tracks have 10+ producers on the credits.
Heck, the classic Papua New Guinea is basically a bunch of tracks thrown together, but Future Sound of London did it in a way that it sounds original.

In electronic dance music, it is very easy to pass off others' work as your own.

The Liquid Soul copy of Hello Strings is not okay. There is no indication that any part of Sweet Things is lifted off Hello Strings, even though it's essentially a carbon copy. The Stresstest remix is also not okay, as the original Ambassador - No Fade is never mentioned.
I don't have a problem with producers drawing inspiration from or even imitating previous productions to update them for a new audience. I do not think it's okay to pass them off as original productions, which is the focus of this thread. That's why they are rip offs.
Just because those productions sound better to you or more modern, that doesn't mean what they did is ethically correct.


Actually, that's one of the best examples of ripping off in trance. Strange World was much better executed than Shamu, though, which is why it was remembered as one of the best trance tracks ever. The same goes for Tiesto - Suburban Train and Kid Vicious - Reform.
Actually, I prefer "Shamu" over "Strange World", especially Armin's Remix, I mean, I like "Strange World" but it gets tiring after so many listens while Armin's remix of "Shamu" still sounds pretty good after so many listens.
As for Reform vs. Suburban Train, that's a different matter here, the thing about the two is that "Suburban Train" was actually co-produced by Ronald van Gelderen a.k.a. Kid Vicious himself, therefore, we can't really call it a rip-off because the track itself was made on an agreement between Tiësto and his team and Ronald himself, plus, Tiësto's ghost producer remixed that track "Suburban Train" came to life, so, you can't really call it a rip-off, if anything it was a joint production based on an already existing track, it's not really "Shamu" vs. "Strange World" or "Dreams" vs. "Gamemaster" here.
 
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The JvD remix is miles better in every respect,i loved it before Armin cried pahaha..i cant understand anyone who says otherwise.
I'm sorry but for me it sounds like it was done in a hurry with no proper quality control, even disregarding the rip-off issue, I just don't see why it's considered a Trance classic, if anything, I would say this track marked the beginning of the downfall of Trance, for me.
 
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I'm sorry but for me it sounds like it was done in a hurry with no proper quality control, even disregarding the rip-off issue, I just don't see why it's considered a Trance classic, if anything, I would say this track marked the beginning of the downfall of Trance, for me.

Its a top quality production imo - please tell me tracks you think are much better production quality? And no one is saying its a classic,only me haha.
 
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Its a top quality production imo - please tell me tracks you think are much better production quality? And no one is saying its a classic,only me haha.
Anticipation itself has a far better production, for example, nothing sounds way too loud or over the top in it and the track flows well, in general. In fact, I could include most of Lemon & Einar K's productions and remixes from 2008 here but if you want me to give you examples, sure, I have a lot of them:

Daniel Kandi - Breathe (2006)
Nitrous Oxide - North Pole (2006)
Smith & Pledger - Northern Lights (2005)
Ralphie B - Massive (2001)
Alt+F4 - Alt+F4 (2004)
Solar Stone - Solarcoaster (Midway Remix) (2003)
Energy 52 - Café del Mar (Three N' One Mix) (1997)
Midway - Amazon (2003)
Oceanlab - Breaking Ties (Above & Beyond Analogue Haven Mix) (2008)
P.O.S. - Remember (Summer Sun) (2003)
Super8 - Alba (2004)
Ayu - Appears (Armin van Buuren's Sunset Dub) (2001)
Delerium feat. Leigh Nash - Innocente (Falling In Love) (MR. SAM's The Space Between Us Remix) (2001)
Perpetuous Dreamer - The Sound of Goodbye (Rising Star Remix) (2001)
Adam Nickey - Never Agone (Above & Beyond Respray) (2007)

I've just given you fifteen examples of far better productions than Jorn's remix of RAMsterdam and I've actually tried to focus just on tracks with similar ideas although I did let some other tracks slip in here, are you genuinely going to tell me that Jorn's remix of RAMsterdam tops any of these productions?
 

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Anticipation itself has a far better production, for example, nothing sounds way too loud or over the top in it and the track flows well, in general. In fact, I could include most of Lemon & Einar K's productions and remixes from 2008 here but if you want me to give you examples, sure, I have a lot of them:

Daniel Kandi - Breathe (2006)
Nitrous Oxide - North Pole (2006)
Smith & Pledger - Northern Lights (2005)
Ralphie B - Massive (2001)
Alt+F4 - Alt+F4 (2004)
Solar Stone - Solarcoaster (Midway Remix) (2003)
Energy 52 - Café del Mar (Three N' One Mix) (1997)
Midway - Amazon (2003)
Oceanlab - Breaking Ties (Above & Beyond Analogue Haven Mix) (2008)
P.O.S. - Remember (Summer Sun) (2003)
Super8 - Alba (2004)
Ayu - Appears (Armin van Buuren's Sunset Dub) (2001)
Delerium feat. Leigh Nash - Innocente (Falling In Love) (MR. SAM's The Space Between Us Remix) (2001)
Perpetuous Dreamer - The Sound of Goodbye (Rising Star Remix) (2001)
Adam Nickey - Never Agone (Above & Beyond Respray) (2007)

I've just given you fifteen examples of far better productions than Jorn's remix of RAMsterdam and I've actually tried to focus just on tracks with similar ideas although I did let some other tracks slip in here, are you genuinely going to tell me that Jorn's remix of RAMsterdam tops any of these productions?

This is all personal opinion lol. It depends how you gauge what is a well produced track. Of course most of your list are very well produced tracks,every artist has their own style.
 
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RAMsterdam remix is decent, I liked it in my ASOT days a decade ago. Although you guys need to understand that both RAM and Jorn can't produce when talking about the production quality :D
Oh yeah, definitely! That is quite noticeable for me, actually! We should also add Aly & Fila who literally can't produce, I'm still trying to understand how the heck they became popular in the first place.
This is all personal opinion lol. It depends how you gauge what is a well produced track. Of course most of your list are very well produced tracks,every artist has their own style.
Let me also add in a more "steroid style" these tracks in particular:

Sean Tyas - Lift (2006)
O'Callagahn & Kearney - Exactly (2006)
Selu Vibra - Divine (2006)
3rd Moon - Monsun (2009)

All these tracks may sound a bit "steroidish" but they are definitely well-produced. Maybe "Divine" & Monsun" could be a bit less loud but they are still pretty damn good. As for "Exactly", I must say it's most the well-produced "Steroidlifting" Trance track I've ever heard, I don't think anyone in the "Steroidlifting" department will ever top that one.
 

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Oh yeah, definitely! That is quite noticeable for me, actually! We should also add Aly & Fila who literally can't produce, I'm still trying to understand how the heck they became popular in the first place.

Let me also add in a more "steroid style" these tracks in particular:

Sean Tyas - Lift (2006)
O'Callagahn & Kearney - Exactly (2006)
Selu Vibra - Divine (2006)
3rd Moon - Monsun (2009)

All these tracks may sound a bit "steroidish" but they are definitely well-produced. Maybe "Divine" & Monsun" could be a bit less loud but they are still pretty damn good. As for "Exactly", I must say it's most the well-produced "Steroidlifting" Trance track I've ever heard, I don't think anyone in the "Steroidlifting" department will ever top that one.

Exactly is a brilliantly produced classic...but i never associate it with the word Steroid. We didnt start saying that word until about 8 years after lol.
 
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Exactly is a brilliantly produced classic...but i never associate it with the word Steroid. We didnt start saying that word until about 8 years after lol.
Honestly, from my point of view, I think "Steroid Trance" had its start more or less in 2006 with productions like the ones I mentioned above, what differentiated them from the more classic forms of Uplifting Trance, especially the ones supported by Anjunabeats and A State Of Trance (the label), is that they sounded a bit harder, louder and somewhat more aggressive when compared to the more clean and polished sounds that were coming from most major labels at that time, of course, no one called that kind of music anything specific, they just considered a different form of Epic/Uplifting Trance, the same way the classic Anjunabeats sound was considerably different than the more golden-age kind of sound of the late 90's to early 2000's ala Ferry Corsten, Lange, The Thrillseekers, Rank 1, Svenson & Gielen, etc.. Back in the late 00's I was already seeing some people calling this kind of music "degga-degga" but at a certain point people started calling "Steroid Trance" and that's it but the origins of it are far deeper than the post-2014 WAO138 stuff, in reality.
 

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Honestly, from my point of view, I think "Steroid Trance" had its start more or less in 2006 with productions like the ones I mentioned above, what differentiated them from the more classic forms of Uplifting Trance, especially the ones supported by Anjunabeats and A State Of Trance (the label), is that they sounded a bit harder, louder and somewhat more aggressive when compared to the more clean and polished sounds that were coming from most major labels at that time, of course, no one called that kind of music anything specific, they just considered a different form of Epic/Uplifting Trance, the same way the classic Anjunabeats sound was considerably different than the more golden-age kind of sound of the late 90's to early 2000's ala Ferry Corsten, Lange, The Thrillseekers, Rank 1, Svenson & Gielen, etc.. Back in the late 00's I was already seeing some people calling this kind of music "degga-degga" but at a certain point people started calling "Steroid Trance" and that's it but the origins of it are far deeper than the post-2014 WAO138 stuff, in reality.

Id say Steroid started with the Photographer stuff...that was on another level of loudness.
 

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Id say Steroid started with the Photographer stuff...that was on another level of loudness.
In my opinion 2005 to 2007 was the year when steroid trance was born. And Sean Tyas was most likely the first one to make it (and to ghost produce it for a bunch of guys later on, e.g. Dave202, Kyo & Gil La, Talla 2XLC, Intricacy for AvB etc.)

But in any case there's already another thread for this discussion 😅
 

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In my opinion 2005 to 2007 was the year when steroid trance was born. And Sean Tyas was most likely the first one to make it (and to ghost produce it for a bunch of guys later on, e.g. Dave202, Kyo & Gil La, Talla 2XLC, Intricacy for AvB etc.)

But in any case there's already another thread for this discussion 😅

Yeah maybe...i was never impressed by most of Tyas' stuff. Lift was ok.
 

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Louis Cole - Weird Part of the Night (2018) [0:58]


John Askew - Cinnamon -Radio Edit- (2015) [2:47]

 

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Oliver Smith - Foundation (2019) [0:49]


Paul Thomas & Shadow of Two - Lucir (2014) [0:34]
You really should not post these type of things. It’s just a few notes and they are very basic too.

Those producers did not rip off anything. There are only so many notes and chords. It’s silly to write down these artists as if they did something aweful.
 

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You really should not post these type of things. It’s just a few notes and they are very basic too.

Those producers did not rip off anything. There are only so many notes and chords. It’s silly to write down these artists as if they did something aweful.
It's literally the same chord but sure let's be biased towards Anjuna bois, they can never do wrong :)
 
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Deadmau5 - The Reward is Cheese (2007) [2:01]



Fedde le Grand - Don't Give Up (2014) [0:33]