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[Jetflag]

Also, I can already see myself being extremely annoying on election day, with hourly updates for vote counts

don't worry bruv, we're used to it by now.

 

[dmgtz96]

The Harris VP pick has been chosen. I think Trump and that weirdo couch dude are done for

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

The Harris VP pick has been chosen. I think Trump and that weirdo couch dude are done for

He's a great choice. Balz to the Walz baby.

 

[Hensmon]

On first glance I am quite happy with that VP pick too. I always stress test first with their voting history with the Iraq and Afghan wars. Were they weak and/or sucked into the intelligence agency lies like everyone else? He was not! Hopefully he's maintained some of that aversion to interventionist foreign policy today.

I also saw that he pushed the countries most aggressive banning of PFA chemicals in our water and food. Couldn't be happier with that, it's one of my top issues, as these chemicals ruin the mental and physcial health of tens of millions of people. Anything that improves fertility, and reduces cancer and depression for this many people is an amazing win. The damage of PFAs far exceeds covid, and we went ballistic about that. The fact he acted on this is a very promising sign as there's a lot of work to do be done to the current chronic disease epidemic.

 

[Jetflag]

the VP, any Vp, has 0 impact on who eventually get to become president. The only relevant things now are:
- RFK
- if the economy crashes before voting day,
- social unrest.

 

[Hensmon]

the VP, any Vp, has 0 impact on who eventually get to become president. The only relevant things now are:

I don't know if thats true. It's unfortunate, but the demographic of the leaders who might potentially hold high office really does matter to people. Like if Harris had the equal choice between another colored women and white man she's always choosing the one she think resonates more with a wider or unrepresented voter base. Those type of decisions are definitely grounded in reality.

Especially now when we see that the VP position is laddering up more and more to become the actual president one day.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

the VP, any Vp, has 0 impact on who eventually get to become president. The only relevant things now are:

Directly maybe, but it's hard to gauge how the combined ticket affects getting people out to vote in general, especially those <25. Agree with your factors in terms of importance, I might add a potential Iran vs Israel conflict. However, A lot of people who were OK with being on the sidelines for reasons might hop off the bench given the two on this ticket combined represent real tangible hope and change and are more in tune with GenZ and progressive issues. Walz is a reasoned progressive that appeals to Republicans, which is a sweet combo you don't see often. Also, though Kamala is part of the Biden admin, it seems like those very opposed to the handling of Gaza may give her a pass, based on some anecdotes I've been hearing. Personally I am thrilled to vote for them and I am seeing real excitement. Stonks are still super overvalued, I hope that doesn't become a huge issue. Trump is still a massive wanker and criminal after all and his VP is no better. That poor couch.

 

[Archon]

current chronic disease epidemic

But can you see disease in the air?

 

[Jetflag]

I don't know if thats true

it's hard to gauge how the combined ticket affects getting people out to vote in general,

Ask yourself this, and don't use google(!) : Who was Abraham Licoln, George Washington, Reagan or Bill Clintons VP?

Its a utterly rrelevant factor as to who gets voted in as president.

The relevant factors are in a nuttshell
- is the current president the sitting one
- midterm gains yes/no
- party consistency & 3e party
- economy
- foreigh politics, especially militairy
- social unrest
- policy change
- scandal
- charisma of the candidate(s)

put short: both Trump and Kamala could have put their rabbit pet up as VP, and it still wouln't have mattered to the overall vote.

 

[Hensmon]

I know all the VPs that have run while I've been politically aware, since about 17yrs old. Knowing Lincolns VP is trivia. Politics is very different now in the last 20 years. The internet and all the different media make a big deal about VPs. Check all the big US news providers this morning, it's everywhere. I bet the news even makes it way to Europe, Russia and maybe even China. Demographics are more important than in the Clinton era too.

It's different out here than in UK/Europe. All the placards and stickers have the duel names on them, and the memes and critiques fly around too. It felt a big deal when Kamala was chosen as VP. Every outlet seems to believe VP choice has influence on voters too. It's hard to measure the true extent of that influence, but its definitely not 0. How can it be 0 when it dominates every media platform in the country for a week. Even my feeling towards a democrat victory has softened, now I see his Iraq history and PFA policy.

Anyway mine (and probably saltacids') post was mostly about how we like what he might bring to the table if he does become VP, not his ability to influence votes.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

Ask yourself this, and don't use google(!) : Who was Abraham Licoln, George Washington, Reagan or Bill Clintons VP?

lol no idea on Washington or Lincoln (and since I was not voting 200 years ago why would I know that) but Reagan was George W and Clinton was Gore. Historically you are correct, a VP isn’t typically deciding who you tick for when you are in the voting booth in your average election.

But this is no ordinary election is it? And I didn’t say it would decide the election, but I think it may drive younger voters to the polls given grandpa zinger represents what they surely lacked in Biden and perhaps didn’t fully see in Harris. Maybe you should comment on what I actually said perhaps? No offense but you rarely respond to the substance of a post here, you pick on one bit and expand. It’s one of the reasons I’ve avoided this thread as it’s generally talking past someone in an ever evolving rant.

I digress, a good example of where a VP mattered would be McCains pick of Palin. McCain would have probably lost to Obama in any case, but that decision surely amplified the EC deficit. VP picks can absolutely matter in context. There are other examples too!

 

[Jetflag]

How can it be 0 when it dominates every media platform in the country for a week

1: its only a week, same thing happened with the Trump shooting
2: see: lichtman's 13 keys to the white house.

its not 0 i'll grant you and @SaltAcidFatHeatAcid .

but its at best only a percentage of a 1/13th deciding factor in the context of this election, and something that has already been secured/locked. namely Kamala's/Trumps charisma.

Same goes by the way for the Trump assasination attempt and his more then a little badass recovery by the way.... 2 pages/ weeks back people where bemoaning that this event was "gonna win him the election", But like kamala's VP pick -> it only affects the charisma key, which hasn't changed and won't before november. The country is simply to divided for that.

No offense but you rarely respond to the substance of a post here

none taken and I actually do respond...In this context i'm just explaining why I don't think that particular substance matters when it comes to kamala's future victory


Anyways I think i've made that point now. Ya'll can go back to thinking it does matter if you so desire

 

[dmgtz96]

1: its only a week, same thing happened with the Trump shooting
2: see: lichtman's 13 keys to the white house.

its not 0 i'll grant you and @SaltAcidFatHeatAcid .

but its at best only a percentage of a 1/13th deciding factor in the context of this election, and something that has already been secured/locked. namely Kamala's/Trumps charisma.

Same goes by the way for the Trump assasination attempt and his more then a little badass recovery by the way.... 2 pages/ weeks back people where bemoaning that this event was "gonna win him the election", But like kamala's VP pick -> it only affects the charisma key, which hasn't changed and won't before november. The country is simply to divided for that.



none taken and I actually do respond...In this context i'm just explaining why I don't think that particular substance matters when it comes to kamala's future victory


Anyways I think i've made that point now. Ya'll can go back to thinking it does matter if you so desire

No, something else is brewing. From a US American minority perspective, Walz is proof that white American men are not a lost demographic. White dudes, especially older white guys in their 50s and above, were thought to have been lost to MAGA. So many people lost contact with their dads after losing them to MAGA and Qanon. Those of us not in the "white guy" demographic were rightfully skeptical of these people, since they support ideologies that are generally against us. Maybe, just maybe, not all of them are lost, and there are some cool old white guys remaining.

Walz is basically the man that Trump isn't, but that the American right wish Trump would be.

 

[Jetflag]

No, something else is brewing. From a US American minority perspective, Walz is proof that white American men are not a lost demographic. White dudes, especially older white guys in their 50s and above, were thought to have been lost to MAGA. So many people lost contact with their dads after losing them to MAGA and Qanon. Those of us not in the "white guy" demographic were rightfully skeptical of these people, since they support ideologies that are generally against us. Maybe, just maybe, not all of them are lost, and there are some cool old white guys remaining.

Walz is basically the man that Trump isn't, but that the American right wish Trump would be.

Well I’ve kept saying for years that not all the in demographic that you hate and demonise are the same @dmgtz96, so I’m glad we’re finally in agreement on that.

it still won’t matter in the overall score count. If the Biden/harris establishment loses one more key, be it economic, domestic, internal or 3e party, Trump wins. If things remain the way they are, Kamala will be the new US president.

 

[Bobby Summa]

Song someone’s made featuring Mr Trump talking and singing about ‘they’re eating the cats… they’re eating the dogs…. Most hilarious thing I’ve seen in ages

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Jetflag]

Song someone’s made featuring Mr Trump talking and singing about ‘they’re eating the cats… they’re eating the dogs…. Most hilarious thing I’ve seen in ages

TikTok - Make Your Day

Reminds me of:

 

[Bobby Summa]

Reminds me of:

The only difference is your one is purest truth! You can tell from Bill Clinton’s jealous eyes!! What I can’t understand is that Billy boy is I reckon 10 times the man Trump is. I’m sure Monika Lewinsky can confirm this ‍♂

 

[Jetflag]

The only difference is your one is purest truth! You can tell from Bill Clinton’s jealous eyes!! What I can’t understand is that Billy boy is I reckon 10 times the man Trump is. I’m sure Monika Lewinsky can confirm this

he wouldn’t be if he really was m8

 

[Bobby Summa]

he wouldn’t be if he really was m8

Cor blimey guvnor!