Conservative or liberal (politics)

[Jetflag]

To where?

The us is actually high up the list.. the company i work for has a subbranch over there, my wife’s family has real estate there aswell as a (friends) network from her school days …and I think the amount of (more) freedom would do me and the boys good..

Russia used to be high up but well have to see how things develop in the next 10 years.. right now the climate is….uninviting, to say the least.. It would give us a chance to live with her family aswell, which has been a bit jarring for my wife ever since we’ve decided to start a family here.

and then there’s Portugal.. which is still eu, but a lot more live let live especially on the canaries.

 

[Hensmon]

If I still lived in Europe i'd be looking at Portugal and also Andorra because of the mountains. Anywhere where these is cool community of outdoor lovers, and some tech entrepreneurship sprinkled in for good measure.

US I rate very highly though, apart from a few things. No walkability is a big downside. These massive roads kill all the vibes and so little cycling infrastructure. LA would be sick if had more cycle capacity or a tube, but it doesn't, so it's just car hell. The food is also diabolical here, even the organic stuff is fraudulent and they put bullshit in everything. Your toxin exposure and potential metabolic dysfunction is at much greater risk. I can eat gluten in Europe, can't touch it here. Healthcare, even with Meta paying it for me, still ends up costing me 3000 dollars a year, even as a healthy adult (somehow). I am seriously worried about crashing on a my mountain bike and what that's gonna cost me. The price of everything is just astronomical here in general.

Benefits = amazing people, great mindset. Innovation and winning in the blood here and if you lean into mentality you can be rewarded. It doesnt feel stagnant like Europe can. If you have a good job, life is good and even better if its remote... a full paradise to explore, with every biome and adventure to find. The sports are great and the weather can be amazing if choosing the right spot.

I do question how you seem to prioritize though. I would live in Canada over US if I could. You'd call that place an freedom killing, tax sucking and ideologically fucked i'm sure, which may all be true, but you over exaggerate the implications of day to day living I think. Revelstoke, CA, is simply a better town than anything I found in US. Walkable, cooler, better community, better geography... everything else is secondary. So none of that political nonsense matters. Ok maybe I get taxed more, but so what, life will be better.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

Ok maybe I get taxed more, but so what, life will be better.

That's my feeling exactly on Australia and why I'm heading there. Higher taxes, but lots of return for it. I lose some freedoms but gain so much in return as well.

The us is actually high up the list.

That's the kicker about the US. For having such a dysfunctional gov't and perhaps a bleak future in that regard, living here is actually lovely. Though the city I'm sitting in at the moment is horribly run and dirty as hell. But the overall area, provided you have money, is world-class. And the people are in general quite nice, with lots of culture.

 

[Jetflag]

but you over exaggerate the implications of day to day living I think.

Could very well be m8....its what i told @SaltAcidFatHeatAcid earlier.. It could very well be a grass is greener over there scenario.

Then again, you might very well be the frog in slowly boiling water saying "ah...who gives a fuck that I can't escape..the water is nice"

My priority atm more and more is: how much freedom do I have to do what it is I really want to do? So if I want to celebrate a tradition which is over a 300 years old, then what are the chances of that being taken away from me and my sons (who love it) by the holy government for "the greater good"?

To me NL definitely feels like a noose being pulled tigher and tigher and whats more. As opposed to the UK or US. who still have a good modicum of sovereighnty and citizen influence. We are defacto a province of a goverment which I cannot, in any way vote out.

 

[Jetflag]

That's the kicker about the US. For having such a dysfunctional gov't and perhaps a bleak future in that regard, living here is actually lovely. Though the city I'm sitting in at the moment is horribly run and dirty as hell. But the overall area, provided you have money, is world-class. And the people are in general quite nice, with lots of culture.

lemme know when you sell your house. The Euro is still quite valuable so I can make a decent offer.

 

[dmgtz96]

Not to be a dick but didn’t you decide to support republicans last year because random idiots associated with democratic protest movements were vandalizing Teslas? How the turntables have turned…

Yes, I did. And I can always change my mind. And, I’d be fine with voting for a republican just to spite people like you lol

 

[dmgtz96]

If I still lived in Europe i'd be looking at Portugal and also Andorra because of the mountains. Anywhere where these is cool community of outdoor lovers, and some tech entrepreneurship sprinkled in for good measure.

US I rate very highly though, apart from a few things. No walkability is a big downside. These massive roads kill all the vibes and so little cycling infrastructure. LA would be sick if had more cycle capacity or a tube, but it doesn't, so it's just car hell. The food is also diabolical here, even the organic stuff is fraudulent and they put bullshit in everything. Your toxin exposure and potential metabolic dysfunction is at much greater risk. I can eat gluten in Europe, can't touch it here. Healthcare, even with Meta paying it for me, still ends up costing me 3000 dollars a year, even as a healthy adult (somehow). I am seriously worried about crashing on a my mountain bike and what that's gonna cost me. The price of everything is just astronomical here in general.

Benefits = amazing people, great mindset. Innovation and winning in the blood here and if you lean into mentality you can be rewarded. It doesnt feel stagnant like Europe can. If you have a good job, life is good and even better if its remote... a full paradise to explore, with every biome and adventure to find. The sports are great and the weather can be amazing if choosing the right spot.

I do question how you seem to prioritize though. I would live in Canada over US if I could. You'd call that place a freedom killing, tax sucking and ideologically fucked i'm sure, which may all be true, but you over exaggerate the implications of day to day living I think. Revelstoke, CA, is simply a better town than anything I found in US. Walkable, cooler, better community, better geography... everything else is secondary. So none of that political nonsense matters. Ok maybe I get taxed more, but so what, life will be better.

Cars serve a useful purpose in that they split up the “haves” from the “have nots”. Since you have to drive everywhere, your people interactions are almost exclusively people you know at work, or people at your destination (ex. If you’re going to a restaurant, you can just drive there). If you own a house in the suburbs, and commute to the downtown core, you could honestly disregard the homelessness/poverty that are common in US cities downtown. You don’t *have* to interact with people who are facing unfortunate circumstances.

that’s a big purpose of having money in the US, and why people who are successful here tend to get a car, why people who make good money pay slightly higher grocery prices to not shop at Walmart, and so on. We just generally don’t want to share spaces with others if they don’t belong in our same circles or have vastly different socioeconomic status. The more money you have, the more you can choose your interactions, and it seems like Americans would rather keep to themselves instead of interacting with strangers in settings like public transport

 

[dmgtz96]

My perspective on the above is based on how the city I’m at is laid out, and on what has happened to all the malls accessible via public transport. All of those malls failed due to certain types of people that drive customers away. The only malls that are thriving don’t have accessible bus stops. Only people who can afford to own a vehicle and drive shop at those malls.

 

[dmgtz96]

Please stay over there, until I leave at least .

It doesn't matter anyway. Our gov't is too corrupted by money and influence. Even if the dems get power, they won't have the votes to make the type of change needed to fix our core issues (tax policy/funding, healthcare, immigration, money in politics, lobbying/corporate influence, miltary priorites and spending). If the repubs stay in power, they seem determined to grind our reputation and gov't into the ground. Neither will balance the budget anyway.

I get your libertarian sensibility makes you allergic to bigger gov't/dem socialism or whatever you want to call it, but I still feel the topic of this thread is misnamed. For me, it's not conservative vs liberal, as I am really neither. In the USA right now anyway, it's more erosion of democracy and kleptocracy vs a weak ineffective band of corporatists who want to help people, but usually don't in practice. My morals prevent me from aligning with the conservative faction in our politics in modern times. We are truly broken over here.

The thread didn’t start out as a general politics thread, but it kind of evolved into one.

I would say I generally fall under a more traditional/classical version of conservatism, just like many first gen immigrants in the US who made a life for themselves. We reject the idea of waiting for someone else to solve our problems and take care of our own problems by ourselves. MAGA is nonsense, though. It’s not real conservatism.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

MAGA is nonsense, though. It’s not real conservatism.

And that’s the real problem. There is no real yin to the yang. In the state I grew up in, people voted for the message, policy and politician. Party wasn’t as relevant.

Yes, I did. And I can always change my mind. And, I’d be fine with voting for a republican just to spite people like you lol

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Did you help get us in to this mess?

 

[dmgtz96]

And that’s the real problem. There is no real yin to the yang. In the state I grew up in, people voted for the message, policy and politician. Party wasn’t as relevant.



Whatever helps you sleep at night. Did you help get us in to this mess?

I did not, but I have no moral objections to keeping us in this mess

 

[Jetflag]

that convo is almost this meme 101, lol

 

[dmgtz96]

that convo is almost this meme 101, lol

They never get it. They think their way is the only morally correct way.

 

[Jetflag]

just 3 more years to go people...just 3 more years

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

If getting mildly made fun of is enough to push you guys over a political line I just don’t know what to say. A picture might help I guess.

Especially after calling those that don’t agree with you shitlibs and commies? Good luck to you both.

 

[Jetflag]

I love shit-libs and commies.

I have lots of shit-lib and commie friends

 

[Jetflag]

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off topic: the picture is gorgeous by the way, would make an excellent vinyl cover.

 

[dmgtz96]

If getting mildly made fun of is enough to push you guys over a political line I just don’t know what to say. A picture might help I guess.

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Especially after calling those that don’t agree with you shitlibs and commies? Good luck to you both.

I don’t answer to anyone and keep my political views to myself irl. I’ll just stealthily jump ship.
And there are plenty other reasons I don’t want to support democrats. The average American guy is not Democrat.

 

[Hensmon]

Does Iran actually hate the United States and its people I wonder? Do (or did) they genuinely pursue long-term goals of nuclear weapons, in order to strike them or some other nation? Is the degree of their alleged "evilness and hated" actually quantified with evidence?

 

[Jetflag]

Does Iran actually hate the United States and its people I wonder? Do (or did) they genuinely pursue long-term goals of nuclear weapons, in order to strike them or some other nation? Is the degree of their alleged "evilness and hated" actually quantified with evidence?

Given Iran’s (regime, not people) propaganda I would definitely say yes.. not to mention their proxi terrorist war against the us/ its allies. Count that in with their homegrown enrichment facilities nuclear infrastructure (or attempts thereoff) and you have yourself a solid case..