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Funniest part about the Japan x America thing on X is that Japanese people are especially interested in the *real* American culture of the Midwest and the south - the true down to earth, red states’ culture instead of the snobby and elitist cultures of the coasts (NYC, LA, SF). From someone who’s mainly spent his life in red states, I would agree that red states generally have a more authentic “American” feel to it
facade1984
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X is getting so nice with all the Japanese posts flooding Americans’ timelines. If you haven’t been on there, you should check it out.
also, fwiw, I’d totally buy a brand new Tesla (heck, even a cybertruck) and rock those paper plates just to piss off people like saltfatheatandacid and facade1984
@Jetflag I don't see anything in what you shared in those speeches or links as sufficient enough to prove that Iran has a hatred so extreme its goals is to attack the US with nukes (or even drones). It's a huge leap. Lets look at the speech you referenced as evidence (which by the way is almost 50 years old, you shared nothing modern).
"America is the number-one enemy of the deprived and oppressed people of the world. There is no crime America will not commit in order to maintain its political, economic, cultural, and military domination of those parts of the world where it predominates. . . . Iran has tried to sever all its relations with this Great Satan and it is for this reason that it now finds wars imposed upon it. America has urged Iraq to spill the blood of our young men [in border clashes that sparked the Iran-Iraq War], and it has compelled the countries that are subject to its influence to boycott us economically in the hope of defeating us. . . . This is a result of the Islamic content of our Revolution, which has been established on the basis of true independence. Were we to compromise with America and the other superpowers, we would not suffer these misfortunes. But our nation is no longer ready to submit to humiliation and abjection; it prefers a bloody death to a life of shame. . . .
The main premise here is Iran's desire for it's freedom, it's independence and to maintain its dignity in the face of a nation it believes will sink to any degree of evil for power, which history has shown to be absolutely true. There's nothing about attacking the US or even criticism about western values.
The propaganda posters link also didn't load, but I had a look for some on google and it's all fairly standard stuff, most of it depicting the US oppressing Iran, or Iran fighting back in the context of its own defence (like it fighting the snake here in its own land). No different from stuff you would find in Vietnam. It's not indicative of anything.
"America is the number-one enemy of the deprived and oppressed people of the world. There is no crime America will not commit in order to maintain its political, economic, cultural, and military domination of those parts of the world where it predominates. . . . Iran has tried to sever all its relations with this Great Satan and it is for this reason that it now finds wars imposed upon it. America has urged Iraq to spill the blood of our young men [in border clashes that sparked the Iran-Iraq War], and it has compelled the countries that are subject to its influence to boycott us economically in the hope of defeating us. . . . This is a result of the Islamic content of our Revolution, which has been established on the basis of true independence. Were we to compromise with America and the other superpowers, we would not suffer these misfortunes. But our nation is no longer ready to submit to humiliation and abjection; it prefers a bloody death to a life of shame. . . .
The main premise here is Iran's desire for it's freedom, it's independence and to maintain its dignity in the face of a nation it believes will sink to any degree of evil for power, which history has shown to be absolutely true. There's nothing about attacking the US or even criticism about western values.
The propaganda posters link also didn't load, but I had a look for some on google and it's all fairly standard stuff, most of it depicting the US oppressing Iran, or Iran fighting back in the context of its own defence (like it fighting the snake here in its own land). No different from stuff you would find in Vietnam. It's not indicative of anything.
Jetflag
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I wonder why dyou didn't address the Great Satan speech that khomeini refused to (recently) dissavow and even reconfirmed, here are some exerpts:
“We shall export our revolution to the whole world, until the cry ‘There is no god but Allah’ resounds over the whole world. There will be struggle.”
or variant: “We must strive to export our Revolution throughout the world… until the cry of ‘There is no god but Allah’ resounds over the whole world.”
jihad must be brought to "the Great Satan"
“America is the great Satan, the wounded snake.” Khomeini introduced the term here in 1980, calling the U.S. the central devil gathering other evils around it to plunder Muslim resources.
“The Scripture commands: War! War until victory! A religion without war is a crippled religion” paired with his parallel statement “We are fighting against the Western world devourers led by America” and “It is the duty of every Muslim to wage jihad against the oppressors.”
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Iran's regime/Khomeini, did not retract, did not edit, did not posthoc edit, did not dissavow this and/or other cermons, they/he reconfirmed it.
These aren't incidental "just some old speech"quotes drawn out of context... they are a core fundament of the regime's ideology.
So that in mind let me ask you a question in return then hens ^given that..:
what sort of rethoric, from a radical Islamist regime, would convince you that said regime, hates the Great Satan, and would get rid of it if it could -> then?
-If one repeatedly said one hates the west and its way of life, and calls it “the great satan” (which in Islamic context is sort of like one of the worst titles to dubiously get)
-if one feels threatened by said west
-if one has waged a terrorist proxi-war against the west and its allies from a ideological religious standpoint,
-if one has launched drones against the west and its (civilian) ships in the vicinity..
-and if one has expressed the desire to own nuclear weapons to strike back at enemy(s)
the why would you not even trust their own words and actions when it comes to that
?Look..I don’t like this war/ escalation by Trump any more than you do eyh.. but I Also find the standpoint of Iran “just wanting to be left alone” and the effects of its regime owning a nuclear arsenal (and a large jihadi terrorist network) not being incredibly dangerous gullible at best and naive at worst. Iran Imo is an entirely different beast then Irak's " weapons of mass destruction" bushification.
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facade1984
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..I preferred him as 40k's God-emperor and still think its a missed opportunity in naming America's Space Force troops.
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Respect to the gays of Hormuz. They haven’t been a bit of trouble.
Jetflag
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I am wondering that the every part of the world is against migration. If all immigrants/migrants are deported then who will do those jobs that most people who are lazy and don't want to do the jobs the migrants/immigrants want to do?
Jetflag
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Bit of a mis-take there.. there are plenty of people who want to do the jobs. What they don’t want is to be underpaid for it.
Bringing in “cheap slaves” to do your “dirty Jobs” might be interesting from a business point of view, but, and I’m saying this as the defacto libertarian here, it’s very much an ethical eyebrow raiser.
that said: it’s not (imo) the primary reason why people all over the world are against (mass/uncontrolled) migration..
Yeah, people are heavily against immigration now because so many immigrants don’t have the same values needed to fit into the society where they’re trying to immigrate. It sounds like right wing propaganda, but MANY people feel this way. They just don’t share these views online or as commonly as left wing people share pro-immigration views online since the right wing viewpoint is seen as close-minded and lacking empathy
personally, I’m cheering for all the mentally ill western white women in japan to be deported
fwiw, this might surprise you @Jetflag but I’ll vote for republicans at this year’s midterms
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Jetflag
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correct.
The overall left wing (political) viewpoint, or sentiment on human allocation on earth seems to be something like: " all people on earth regardless of geographical, religious, cultural, ancesteral or racial background are 100% the same and equal. therefor: any disparity in treatment of an immigrant vs native or even a border full-stop is nonsensical or immoral.
The right wing viewpoint is (colloquially) far less idealistic and more realistic in the sense that it understand that humans and by extend human tribes, IRL just differ amongst one another
(in the aforementioned factors of religion culture etc.) And that if those differences are too great or become to great by growth, conflict ensues. History is actually full of examples of this, where the end result is either the decimation or even termination of the native population, or the immigrating population being handed the choice to leave either by suitcase or coffin. Which is, in either case, a situation preferably avoided, as it often comes with a lot of suffering and bloodshed. Hence..Immigration should be checked/ controlled and with the consent of the local populi.the funny thing is, your average well meaning and empathic left leaning person (or white woman in japan
) will actually agree with you on that permise. Depending on the situation.Ask any left leaning college student what he or she thinks of mass (uncontrolled) immigration in Europe and he/she will celebrate that as "enrichment of culture"
then ask the same person what he/she thinks uncontrolled mass immigration of Portugese settlers in at around Acapulco 1492, Dutch Boeren in South Africa or formerly Rhodesia, or British prisoners in native aboriginal land, and they will cry injustice- havoc where you stand.
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