how? where's the lie? point it out to me.
The figure you posted here is not part of the
full report, nor does it appear in any of the trends and data on the
Dashboard. This led me to believe the graph was made by someone else, who may not have truth in their best intentions.
EDIT: the typo in hospitalisations in the x-axis would be odd to see in an official government publication, and the "According to official Public Health Scotland COVID-19 statistical reports" looks like a citation. This was definitely not the work of a professional statistician.
if the claim was "this is a pandemic of the unvaxxed" as opposed to "a pandemic of the unvaxxed, single jabbed and 3times jabbed elderly people" you can't claim that tháts a lie based on lacking levels of sophistication without also dismissing the first claim as a lie/dishonest no? Not saying you personally did by the way, but thats the narrative being pushed.
The intent of the graph is to show that the vaccines are ineffective, i.e. 80% of the hospitalizations and deaths are from people who have been jabbed. But the % is meaningless if you're comparing the wrong things. Unvaxx and vaxx are completely different populations, so it's weird (and frankly, misleading) to add up both of their case #s and show that 80% of hospitalizations and deaths are from people who have been jabbed. Those numbers are expected to ramp up as the % vaccinated increases, as the % vaxx will always increase, and the % unvaxx will always decrease. You will only see so many cases pop up in unvaxx, but you will see more and more in vaxx.
Most cases perhaps, but surely not pretty much the exact same massive number?
Then its not a very effective vaccine in the grand sceme of things is it? or am I missing something here? Genuine question, honestly not throwing a shade at you but this makes 0 sense.
Those are good questions that should be answered by people much smarter than us.
well there's that small little uptick I mentioned. But it dwarfs in the overall scope of things.
according to said report. (allegedly, again, please show me where I/ they're going wrong here)
some 20% of the populus are unvaxx, some 80% are vaxed, which afiak is a status you only obtain when you're double jabbed.
some 25% of the unvax populus end up in the hospital beds, as opposed to the 75% jabbed.
some 20% of the unvaxxed die, and some 80% of the jabbed die.
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Hold up. The 80% and 75% rates were obtained by adding up the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.
These figures just mean:
- Of all the cases of acute hospitalizations, ~80% were in vaccinated, and ~20% were in unvaccinated
- Of all the cases of deaths, ~85% were in vaccinated, and ~15% were in unvaccinated
This does not mean: 80% of
all the vaccinated people went through acute hospitalizations
k again, where is the lie, precisely? because what I derrive from that is that the vaccines aren't very effective in curbing this pandemic, especially if you compare them with 2020 numbers when we had equally strict measures and 0 vacccines.
Where the lie is: see my first answer to you. For the rest of your comment, I don't know.
and if its a matter of sloppyness or misrepresentation, ok, why would an institute that is hell-bend on getting as many people vaccinated as possible put out a report like that? Thats not cutting yourself in the fingers, thats chopping of your own hand. Either the stats are genuine in which case the "this is a pandemic of the unvaxxed" narrative doesn't hold up. or they're false in which case why would they put it out if it only backfires at them?
I don't think it's sloppyness/misrepresentation on the Scotland government's part. I suspect the graph you uploaded did not come officially from them. Remember, these are professional statisticians who know very well how to represent data (and the truth), and who avoid the pitfalls in creating misleading graphs, tables, and dashboards.
Regardless,
calling this the "pandemic of the unvaxxed" is a bad move. Omicron is hitting both vaxx and unvaxx awfully. From my perspecrtive, all I care about is that I don't die from COVID or have any long-term effects, and I did not have any secondary effects from 2x moderna and booster.