Recently I found and downloaded some random trance tracks , over 40 in all , that somehow happened to be HD audio , 24bit /96khz lossless format with known producers with recent track like Cold Blue, Alex Morph, John 0'Callaghan, Richard Durand etc... Sound is clean, warm , alive , very much vinyl like but more electric if it makes sense. I always wanted to have high quality audio and I was not satisfied with cd wav and I barely ever tolerated mp3 but this is another thing all together. It really gives life to any track and I would buy any good track with it.
I listened to high definition trance tracks and my ears , brain and illusion are shattered.
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Gijs
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Where exactly did you get those 24 bit / 96 kHz files from? I can only find up to 24 bit / 48 kHz songs on the audiophile websites I'm active on (and that's for trance-adjacent music, for the artists you've listed I can only find up to 24 bit / 44.1 kHz). Are you sure they're legit and not AI upscaled?
Forum doesn't allow song sharing like it's 2000 napster. It's real though, here is screen shot from a classic and more recent one. Apparently real digital records are stored in 24bit/192khz so it's not on cd and typical download store. 96khz makes a difference for airiness , flow and warmth of a track . I bet 192khz is better though.
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facade1984
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When I'm high everything is high definition
I wouldn't call their track 'high resolution' none of their recent tracks are high resolution. Have a listen to a lot of older trance it has a warmer sound albeit lower bit quality but the current stuff is too loud for me.
If its some very old track, or one not in the download stores, feel free to share one.
Gijs
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Hate to break it to you, but those numbers mean nothing. I can convert any 128 kbps MP3 to 24 bit / 192 kHz WAV using programs like Audacity, which does nothing to the sound quality. Once again, where did you get these files from?
I'm being ragebaited again, aren't I lmao
that part makes me laugh coz upconverts often have some high frequency interpolation glitches from resampling which is probably what you are referring to
that's some heavy audiophilia shit
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Interesting discussion. Since we're talking about high-resolution audio and what is actually present in a file, I'd like to mention Audio Fake Detector PRO.
It's a tool I developed to help detect upsampled and fake hi-res audio by analyzing the spectrum and other audio characteristics.
It's a tool I developed to help detect upsampled and fake hi-res audio by analyzing the spectrum and other audio characteristics.
exactly like it's 2000 napster
There is a drop off in frequency but it goes up to almost 30khz but decibels only go to 90db whereas 24bit is about 140db. What do you think?
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I think I only hear till around 16 kHz so if you download any Julian track in 1000 quality, you will hear nothing in that 20-30khz region, at least nothing that I willingly put in it lol.
But most importantly, I don’t think any producer renders their project in other format than 24khz.48000 or 16-41000.
So if nobody renders their project in those extreme formats you mention, you can never ever obtain a file with that quality.
And you are talking about old classics even? From the time period where file size was actually important? I can’t imagine them rendering a gigabite track in 2000…. For frequencies that humans cannot hear…
But most importantly, I don’t think any producer renders their project in other format than 24khz.48000 or 16-41000.
So if nobody renders their project in those extreme formats you mention, you can never ever obtain a file with that quality.
And you are talking about old classics even? From the time period where file size was actually important? I can’t imagine them rendering a gigabite track in 2000…. For frequencies that humans cannot hear…
that's it, and even if the project is rendered at 24/48, the samples used (drums, effects, atmospheres, maybe vocals etc) are likely to be 16/44,1 which makes the whole track to be partially upconverted. if we're talking of extremes like 24/96 or 32/192, it only increases the amount of upconverted/upsampled elements within the track, it doesn't add extra value
Gijs
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Basically this yeah, hence why I kept asking where you got these files from. Them having frequencies above 30 kHz proves nothing if you got them from a random website given how AI upscaling has been a thing for years now.
I just downloaded a bunch of super classics (airwave, gouryella) and it's super resolution 24bit/192khz and it's definitely better than the 96khz that I had before. Yes it's a vinyl rip and it's amazing and I am listening to Sandstorm.
It's vinyl rips but this time it's lossless and high definition. I hear it because I can listen to it in very low volume and I feel more relaxed after listening . It's only 40MB per minute so it's negligible in size compared to lossless video which is 100's times bigger.
Anyway here is Sandstorm
12. Darude - Sandstorm
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30khz sound test . I hear something I have obtained a bunch of 90's classics in HD from vinyl rips. By recording it on vinyl and making it long enough , prodcuers were looking for highest quality, highest duration and highest longevity. Now those recording can be all ripped into an almost perfect digital file at 24/192.
High sample rates vastly improve time-domain resolution. When you are listening to complex, layered electronic tracks with sharp attacks, the quick changes in amplitude (transients) require ultrasound bandwidth to record and reproduce accurately. A 192kHz sample rate captures these micro-timing differences precisely, which the skin sensors and brain use to construct the spatial "image" and soundstage of the track.