My first propper (finished) trance track.

[LostLegend]

LostLegend. Ive just been lying on a beach listening to your Depeche Mode Enjoy the Silence remix. It was a really great experience dude!

My most popular track that one, like 80k views on YouTube

 

[LostLegend]

Thankfully my new position within the same department is different and much easier. But I really would like to work less. Ive heard of figures people get for top 10 positions on beatport and its like lots sometimes. Like 1000’s of £

I'll be real with you, there isn't much money in producing dance music these days, especially trance.
Unless you are in the top % wise of big names and are working for and with big commercial artists and getting millions of plays and downloads, it's the pits really.

Most producers will have day jobs or other forms of income within the industry like DJ'ing, running labels, selling soundbanks/presets, selling services like one-to-one tuition, masterclasses, ghost producing for other artists.

The arse fell out of all of it with the cross over to digital services. Whereas you'd make money for physical sales (Vinyl, CD's and the like) and the big money maker was getting on the big compilations like Ministry of Sound, Cream, Gatecrasher and the like, now you are getting literal decimal fractions of a penny for plays and even actual sales on digital stores like Beatport, after the store takes their %, then the label takes theirs, it's pennies once again.
The big selling CD compilations have now been replaced with Spotify playlists.

Sad state of affairs really - you have to really love the genre to put the effort in these days, because there's no financial incentive.

 

[Bobby Summa]

I'll be real with you, there isn't much money in producing dance music these days, especially trance.
Unless you are in the top % wise of big names and are working for and with big commercial artists and getting millions of plays and downloads, it's the pits really.

Most producers will have day jobs or other forms of income within the industry like DJ'ing, running labels, selling soundbanks/presets, selling services like one-to-one tuition, masterclasses, ghost producing for other artists.

The arse fell out of all of it with the cross over to digital services. Whereas you'd make money for physical sales (Vinyl, CD's and the like) and the big money maker was getting on the big compilations like Ministry of Sound, Cream, Gatecrasher and the like, now you are getting literal decimal fractions of a penny for plays and even actual sales on digital stores like Beatport, after the store takes their %, then the label takes theirs, it's pennies once again.
The big selling CD compilations have now been replaced with Spotify playlists.

Sad state of affairs really - you have to really love the genre to put the effort in these days, because there's no financial incentive.

I feared that may be true. Not sure where i read you can get a grand a week for a top ten beatport but i guess it wasn’t true.

Last time I DJ’d ( only time actually) was with a mate and 2 tape decks, we were 15 and playing Rave in a girl guide party. ( club for girls in uk that teaches them fun stuff and survival techniques )

Id learn how to DJ if thats how producers actually make bucks - but no way do i have the time.
Ive always feared why some trance producers are dj’s too. But knew really.

 

[Bobby Summa]

Ha I wish I was him. Apart from not liking him for attacking acts like Lasgo and Iahn Van Dadl he is great producer. I've become a very decent dj because I started djing almost 5 years ago, first two years were hard painful and very slow. I realized I wasn't putting enough of an effort and towards the second year I pushed more, but it wasn't until I started recording mixing and self analysing I started seeing a great improvement. I always compared myself to the biggest names who are in the industry longest. Act like Comic Gate and Kyau & Albert, my idol ATB who was djing and producing even early 90s. And later on tried getting into producing. It's been two years of constant grinding there too. I am still a bit of a disaster on the mic though, but that's ok because I am not that kind of a DJ.

I have a playlist with all my songs, because I upload any song, demo or almost finished songs. Some of them might sound very amateur-ish. I always have my 'cave' where I keep about 20 unfinished demos or stuff that sounds super weird and later on rework them or lean into the weirdness of it and add even more. Example

I absolutely love that one
https://soundcloud.com/lq5vxcb1rzbn%2Fdj-recharge-dont-worry-be-happy
I struggle a lot with putting energy into my songs, so I lean into having a chill downtempo vibe in most of my songs.

https://soundcloud.com/lq5vxcb1rzbn%2Fsets%2Fmy-songs
This is my little gem. Wrote it last month and have actual goosebumps when I hear it
https://soundcloud.com/lq5vxcb1rzbn%2Fdj-recharge-the-sun-will-rise-again
I try to read about djing and producing every day, but I would say I read mostly about djing so I am heavily indoctrinated into the dj side of things rather than the producer side. I respect the old-school dj culture of djing like beatmatching by ear and stuff. but I also embrace the technology and use the very controversial sync button for example.

And thank you for the compliments and reminding my of this episode, I just started recording again Pure Progressive Sessions two weeks ago and yesterday at work I revisited first two episodes and that show has magic over it from episode one. I had a little monologue on the 100 ep of my other show how I felt in love with melodic progressive since I started djing and that show explores that side, well of me.

Why was he attacking bands like lasgo and Ian van Dahl. Castles in the sky is a track i used to be obsessed with!
I think when people actually attack an act they are just showing themselves to be a ‘trying to be cool’ or, I sometimes call it.
The (cutting themselves off from a positive feeling a song has which when it became cool not to like they tell themselves they too don’t like it’ ) Syndrone.
Also known as Denial or Sheep syndrome.

I realize some would never like the much critisised Euro sound from the start but I bet many just joined the slag it off band wagon when it became cool not to like it. - i noticed myself start doing it at one point, then had a stern word with myself to stop being a thwaaat!

 

[Recharge]

Why was he attacking bands like lasgo and Ian van Dahl. Castles in the sky is a track i used to be obsessed with!
I think when people actually attack an act they are just showing themselves to be a ‘trying to be cool’ or, I sometimes call it.
The (cutting themselves off from a positive feeling a song has which when it became cool not to like they tell themselves they too don’t like it’ ) Syndrone.
Also known as Denial or Sheep syndrome.

I realize some would never like the much critisised Euro sound from the start but I bet many just joined the slag it off band wagon when it became cool not to like it. - i noticed myself start doing it at one point, then had a stern word with myself to stop being a thwaaat!

I think there was some jealousy involved too, because this was the mainstream trance early 2000s and everybody was listening them. I don't believe in attacking others people music or different styles. If you don't like a style of music, fine just let others that like it be.

 

[Bobby Summa]

I think there was some jealousy involved too, because this was the mainstream trance early 2000s and everybody was listening them. I don't believe in attacking others people music or different styles. If you don't like a style of music, fine just let others that like it be.

Very much agree man. I belong to a few Facebook music groups. Don’t see the point in people being critical of anothers likes in music.