My new track "C hash", an experimental project, tuned at 432Hz

[D.Peter.J]

Hi here is my new track. MWAF-MusicWithAFeeling, chapter10. Written in C# (or C-sharp) minor scale, 138bpm. This track is tuned at 432Hz (instead of standard tuning: A note=440Hz), to make it sound more human.
Sounds: passionate and intense. Feels: intimate and divine. Thanks for the support. Cheers
https://soundcloud.com/pedro-vilas-boas-2%2Fchash-432hz

 

[Jetflag]

Lead sounds a bit to sharp on the eq spectrum for my headphones, other then that, nice track

As for the 432hz tuning, look. Anything beyond simple/single sounds (like an ambient drone or a pitchfork) will have a multitude of harmonics going on. There are, especially in a trance song, so many different frequencies going on at any time that pitching up or down a few hz won't make any meaningfull difference, Other then maybe a placebo esq effect for the same folks who believe in things like astrology or "listening to the flowers grow"

So, nice efford/ experiment. but don't think you'll be making any significant difference by slapping the 432hz woo woo math on this.

my 2 cents.

 

[Hot Tuna]

Since you edited your post to sound less cunty I'll remove the opinion I posted in the opening line, but the rest still remains valid. There is nothing wrong with experimenting with tuning.

A=440Hz tuning has no real meaning other than it was, in 1955, deemed to be the ISO 'standard'. Prior to this there were various accepted tuning standards, including A=425 and A=435. This includes the period of history that covers most of the great classical composers, all of whom may have adopted slightly different preferences.

Mathematically, if C is tuned to 256Hz (A=430.54), then all of the corresponding octaves fall on exact integers (no decimal points), so there is some mathematical basis for desiring a tuning close to 432.

Some modern orchestras, including the New York Philharmonic, do not accept the 440 standard and tune slightly up/down.

'Harmonics' are just that. The definition of the term is a precise multiple of a frequency, so yes, retuning does have a tangible effect because frequencies are all relative. That's why our accepted harmonic scales/chords sound pleasing to the ear - because notes are separated by precise mathematical intervals. Retuning essentially has the same effect as speeding up or slowing down the whole record, everything is still relative.

Tuning Standards Explained: Differences between 432 Hz vs 440 Hz

440 Hz is widely used as the tuning standard for western music, but 432 Hz is on the rise. Why is this? And which standard should you choose?

www.izotope.com

Why Do Orchestras Tune to an A-Note Pitch at 440 Hz? | How To Classical | WQXR

Take a seat. There are lots of meetings involved.

www.wqxr.org

On topic: You should now focus on your percussion, liven it up with some velocity adjustments, panning, additional layers, fills etc.

 

[D.Peter.J]

Lead sounds a bit to sharp on the eq spectrum for my headphones, other then that, nice track

As for the 432hz tuning, look. Anything beyond simple/single sounds (like an ambient drone or a pitchfork) will have a multitude of harmonics going on. There are, especially in a trance song, so many different frequencies going on at any time that pitching up or down a few hz won't make any meaningfull difference, Other then maybe a placebo esq effect for the same folks who believe in things like astrology or "listening to the flowers grow"

So, nice efford/ experiment. but don't think you'll be making any significant difference by slapping the 432hz woo woo math on this.

my 2 cents.

Hi thanks a lot for the comments. I am glad that you like the track. It is just an experiment, tuning at 432Hz, I would like to hear what real people think about this, can they notice any difference or not ? Although I easily note the difference, tuning at 432Hz, makes the music more calm, perhaps it is subjective or not. We'll see. Take care.

 

[D.Peter.J]

Since you edited your post to sound less cunty I'll remove the opinion I posted in the opening line, but the rest still remains valid. There is nothing wrong with experimenting with tuning.

A=440Hz tuning has no real meaning other than it was, in 1955, deemed to be the ISO 'standard'. Prior to this there were various accepted tuning standards, including A=425 and A=435. This includes the period of history that covers most of the great classical composers, all of whom may have adopted slightly different preferences.

Mathematically, if C is tuned to 256Hz (A=430.54), then all of the corresponding octaves fall on exact integers (no decimal points), so there is some mathematical basis for desiring a tuning close to 432.

Some modern orchestras, including the New York Philharmonic, do not accept the 440 standard and tune slightly up/down.

'Harmonics' are just that. The definition of the term is a precise multiple of a frequency, so yes, retuning does have a tangible effect because frequencies are all relative. That's why our accepted harmonic scales/chords sound pleasing to the ear - because notes are separated by precise mathematical intervals. Retuning essentially has the same effect as speeding up or slowing down the whole record, everything is still relative.

Tuning Standards Explained: Differences between 432 Hz vs 440 Hz

440 Hz is widely used as the tuning standard for western music, but 432 Hz is on the rise. Why is this? And which standard should you choose?

www.izotope.com

Why Do Orchestras Tune to an A-Note Pitch at 440 Hz? | How To Classical | WQXR

Take a seat. There are lots of meetings involved.

www.wqxr.org

On topic: You should now focus on your percussion, liven it up with some velocity adjustments, panning, additional layers, fills etc.

Hi thanks a lot for your comments. I did not realise about the name of the track, C (Do) note and hash as an acronym to sharp, C-sharp minor scale it is the scale of this track. Because of internet and sites coding, it would not be wise to use C# in the track name.
Regarding the tuning system, I notice that it makes the music more calm. Just a short calculation (it can be useful if someone wishes also to tune the VST synths):
Tuning at A4=440Hz, then C#5=554.37Hz ; at tuning A4=432Hz, then C#=544.29Hz.

so 544.29Hz is between C5=523.25Hz (with tuning at 440Hz) and C#=554.37Hz
comparing frequency reduction, it means a -30.6% of a semi-note (-100% would be a transpose from C#5 to C5)

Frequencies of Musical Notes, A4 = 440 Hz

pages.mtu.edu

I agree with your suggestions about the percussion, variations and make them more live. I will improve them in my later CLUB Mix, that will be tuned at standard 440Hz. Take care.

 

[Love Nation]

I think music in 432 Hz is wellness for body and mind. But then i wouldnt use a sharp or flat note as key note. All the non-sharp or non-flat key notes have certain effects. Its a bit like binaural beats and other things like that. Think its an interesting thing to experiment with sound therapy stuff

 

[D.Peter.J]

I think music in 432 Hz is wellness for body and mind. But then i wouldnt use a sharp or flat note as key note. All the non-sharp or non-flat key notes have certain effects. Its a bit like binaural beats and other things like that. Think its an interesting thing to experiment with sound therapy stuff

Hi thanks for your comments. Yes you are correct, I have also ideas to make some 432Hz tuned music, special for chillout and meditation. I explain why I chose C-sharp minor: "Emajor is considered the most powerful scale and its relative minor scale is C-sharp minor, therefore we may conclude that C#minor is the most powerful of the minor scales.". Cheers Let's see what people will think of this experiment of mine.

 

[Hot Tuna]

Hi thanks a lot for your comments. I did not realise about the name of the track, C (Do) note and hash as an acronym to sharp, C-sharp minor scale it is the scale of this track. Because of internet and sites coding, it would not be wise to use C# in the track name.

I don't think it's a particular problem, the main issue is perhaps that there is already a famous trance classic called " C Sharp" by The Quest (Benno de Goeij).

 

[Love Nation]

Hi thanks for your comments. Yes you are correct, I have also ideas to make some 432Hz tuned music, special for chillout and meditation. I explain why I chose C-sharp minor: "Emajor is considered the most powerful scale and its relative minor scale is C-sharp minor, therefore we may conclude that C#minor is the most powerful of the minor scales.". Cheers Let's see what people will think of this experiment of mine.

Ok lol dont know if it works like that i would maybe just use E minor then for the power of solarplexus, but dont know yet so much about these things.
Would be also nice to additionally use tools of hypnosis. And then maybe also make a video for the track with hypnosis tools, so you can really fall in trance then

 

[Archon]

For me personally, and based on what I read, 432hZ tuning is just placebo. You have to believe in it for it to work. Just like when people say a song saved their life. They really believe that - so they put huge value on that song, while it's "just" a collection of sounds and can be distilled down to a collection of sine waves by a Fourier Transform.

 

[Jetflag]

Hi thanks a lot for the comments. I am glad that you like the track. It is just an experiment, tuning at 432Hz, I would like to hear what real people think about this, can they notice any difference or not ? Although I easily note the difference, tuning at 432Hz, makes the music more calm, perhaps it is subjective or not. We'll see. Take care.

cheers and by all means, keep experimenting .. these are like said just my thoughts on it.

As for 432 hz as a "thing" Its a bit like homeopathy. It very much depends on the type. Where 432hz (might) work/ works is with things like acoustic tuning or like said earlier single ambient drones. Where that specific 432 hz tuned sound(s) dominates and pretty much dominates across the range. As for the reason why this is (allegedly) more enjoyable to listen to. Slightly lower sounds are in general more pleasant to the human ear so that might have something to do with it.

If, however, you're dealing with a multi layered trance track and most of your stems (bass, drums, fx etc.) aren't all *specifically* 432 tuned Then you're at best going to deal with such a huge spectrum of frequencies, most of which aren't 432hz. that its a bit like pooring a shotglas of merlot in a bottle of water and calling it wine of just pouring a lot of water with the wine if you do have most of your stems tuned to that. Or even worse, you've digitally mixed everything 440 and only slapped the 432hz option on your master bounce, in which case its not going to do anything (not saying you did that by the way... but there are people who do)

Remember you're talking about 32 cents lower in pitch than 440 , which is roughly a third of a semitone, which a layman won't even pick up and a fellow musician/ dj will just get annoyed at as its "a bit jarring" to mix with a "standard" trance track.

 

[D.Peter.J]

I don't think it's a particular problem, the main issue is perhaps that there is already a famous trance classic called " C Sharp" by The Quest (Benno de Goeij).

Yes, I know and I love that track. Surprisingly " C Sharp" by The Quest, was written in F minor scale

 

[D.Peter.J]

Ok lol dont know if it works like that i would maybe just use E minor then for the power of solarplexus, but dont know yet so much about these things.
Would be also nice to additionally use tools of hypnosis. And then maybe also make a video for the track with hypnosis tools, so you can really fall in trance then

Cool ideas. Interesting ...

 

[D.Peter.J]

For me personally, and based on what I read, 432hZ tuning is just placebo. You have to believe in it for it to work. Just like when people say a song saved their life. They really believe that - so they put huge value on that song, while it's "just" a collection of sounds and can be distilled down to a collection of sine waves by a Fourier Transform.

Hi, as you wrote I don't know yet if it is a placebo, or if it only affects the most sensitive human ears. One thing is true, each musical scale has its own characteristics and moods, and push them to the limits if you wish. Check my project Music With A Feeling, where each of my trance/electronica tracks were written in a specific scale https://soundcloud.com/pedro-vilas-boas-2%2Ftracks

 

[D.Peter.J]

cheers and by all means, keep experimenting .. these are like said just my thoughts on it.

As for 432 hz as a "thing" Its a bit like homeopathy. It very much depends on the type. Where 432hz (might) work/ works is with things like acoustic tuning or like said earlier single ambient drones. Where that specific 432 hz tuned sound(s) dominates and pretty much dominates across the range. As for the reason why this is (allegedly) more enjoyable to listen to. Slightly lower sounds are in general more pleasant to the human ear so that might have something to do with it.

If, however, you're dealing with a multi layered trance track and most of your stems (bass, drums, fx etc.) aren't all *specifically* 432 tuned Then you're at best going to deal with such a huge spectrum of frequencies, most of which aren't 432hz. that its a bit like pooring a shotglas of merlot in a bottle of water and calling it wine of just pouring a lot of water with the wine if you do have most of your stems tuned to that. Or even worse, you've digitally mixed everything 440 and only slapped the 432hz option on your master bounce, in which case its not going to do anything (not saying you did that by the way... but there are people who do)

Remember you're talking about 32 cents lower in pitch than 440 , which is roughly a third of a semitone, which a layman won't even pick up and a fellow musician/ dj will just get annoyed at as its "a bit jarring" to mix with a "standard" trance track.

Thanks a lot for your comments. For this track, every oscillator, every synth and every sound used was indeed tuned at 432Hz. You are correct it is just 31 cents lower in pitch than 440Hz tuned sounds and this version (432Hz) is not dj 100% friendly (as it may sound out of tune when beatmatching with another track), that's why I will make a 440Hz club mix

 

[Hot Tuna]

Thanks a lot for your comments. For this track, every oscillator, every synth and every sound used was indeed tuned at 432Hz. You are correct it is just 31 cents lower in pitch than 440Hz tuned sounds and this version (432Hz) is not dj 100% friendly (as it may sound out of tune when beatmatching with another track), that's why I will make a 440Hz club mix

You clearly have a better understanding than the person you're conversing with, so I would just stick with your own ideas and methods. Bear in mind that throughout the vinyl years tracks were being pitched up and down by several percent (the same effect as retuning) and it was not a problem to the audience. There are many recent examples of musicians releasing stuff at 432, Childish Gambino for example, and Astropilot in the trance/psy scene. The album version of Spooky's "Belong" is also unusually tuned, sitting somewhere right in the middle of two keys.

 

[D.Peter.J]

You clearly have a better understanding than the person you're conversing with, so I would just stick with your own ideas and methods. Bear in mind that throughout the vinyl years tracks were being pitched up and down by several percent (the same effect as retuning) and it was not a problem to the audience. There are many recent examples of musicians releasing stuff at 432, Childish Gambino for example, and Astropilot in the trance/psy scene. The album version of Spooky's "Belong" is also unusually tuned, sitting somewhere right in the middle of two keys.

Thanks once again. Yes vinyl beatmatching, I know that, I start djing 35 years by now Let me wait for the opinions on my track, I will share the conclusions here later.

 

[Julian Del Agranda]

Hot Tuna: "You clearly have a better understanding than the person you're coversing with".

ROFLMAO!!

 

[D.Peter.J]

Here is my videoclip for this track

 

[IXM]

https://soundcloud.com/pawe-nowak-843853938%2Flikes





I'm going back to your track, thank you for this track it's something I grew up on, thanks to this form I love trance. I'm going to say you're still there and you're preparing something like that for us
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