Producers and labels using gen. AI

[ray]

So I came across this post on Facebook by Steve Allen. Apparently he has outed himself as an AI bro, as he has decided to taint his music with AI generated vocals.

Why collaborate with vocalists when you can instead replace them with a plagiarism machine, right?

There is plenty of evidence online that AI has caused job loss for lots of creatives (mostly visual artists and writers), so using any form of generative AI in music is, in my honest opinion, a VERY bad thing. And that's not even getting into the alarming environmental issues using generative AI causes.

For informational purposes I've started this thread. Post any evidence here of producers that admit to being shameless AI bros, or labels that seem to unashamedly use generative AI for cover art rather than either making the cover art themselves or commissioning professional artists or photographers for art.

 

[Progrez]

Looks like he also asked Chatgpt - To- Do- The-Writing-on-his-Behalf -tsktsk-what-lazy-writing.

This is not about approval but more about what is he getting out of this? He should look at his older productions if he wants self approval.

 

[ray]

Looks like he also asked Chatgpt - To- Do- The-Writing-on-his-Behalf -tsktsk-what-lazy-writing.

I noticed that as well. That exact sensationalist writing style, along with the em (—) dashes absolutely REEKS of ChatGPT.

It also seems he disabled commenting on the Facebook post after a couple of people called him out on what he is doing.

 

[Julian Del Agranda]

He’s a great example of a template producer who rams out multiple similar tracks from one project.

I liked Silhouette a lot, great cheese. But would I expect AI usage from this producer? Well, yes. He loves a little template to save time… he basically already does what you call plagiarism machine

 

[Jetflag]

Post any evidence here of producers that admit to being shameless AI bros

oh! That’s me.

guilty as charged . I use AI for the following:

- stem rips for bootlegs. FADR is a good one. Which I, by the way, always send to the original artist to see if they 1 like it, 2 maybe want to send me the original stems/collab. I’ve even used it on own productions like MindBeaches with @Bobby Summa , as the original file was corrupted, and Pedro required multiple stems for a proper master job.

- video reels:
For my own label I’ve designed a logo with a changing background for each release, Grok or Hailuo can turn these into 6 seconds of video which I then work up in Resolve.

- quick&dirty demo masters.
Waves has a paid AI master service for 50 cents a track or-so, which does a fairly decent middle-tier mastering in 40 seconds, which saves me time and energy I could spend on making music. Once a demo is accepted, it will go to a proper master engineer like Nick @Narel , Pedro, or Everlight.

it sounds like Steve isn’t so much skipping the vocalist, more that he’s using AI as a substitute for Melodyne (tuner software). “Fixing” vocals can be a gruesomely time consuming task (speaking from experience here) and if AI is good at one thing besides generic “sort of in that direction” concept generating, it’s time consuming gruesome tasks. As well as thing like “large male Gregorian choir AAH in c# singing mybumholeitches” for my latest epic breakdown.

 

[Julian Del Agranda]

Yeah but that’s all stuff that comes ‘around’ our hobby.

I assume the topic is about using AI for the hobby itself. The music production

I do understand the grey area though. Current DAW’s and synths… I mean turning on an arpegiator is already using machinery to form a melody for you, that you did not create that way. It’s already artificial, in a way.

It’s computerized music. I guess it’s up to the listener whether they grade something worthy or not and that’s it.

 

[Jetflag]

From what I’ve read of Allan’s post he is not using ai to “generate music”. Based on nothing but a prompt.

he seems to employ it mostly as tool /instrument for the creation of unique samples and/or work up existing ones.


there’s an interesting discussion to be had here when it comes to “originality”

Ask yourself the following. What is to be looked down on more, creatively speaking?

- using (nothing but) existing Nexus presets and Vengeance samples that everyone else uses?

- prompt your “samples”. From scratch, using an ai tool?

 

[Jetflag]

Hell, I think you can even make a strong case that the “original form” of sampling is far more akin to unoriginal stealing and plagiarism then this is.

with AI you at least never get the exact desired or same result.

 

[LostLegend]

From what I’ve read of Allan’s post he is not using ai to “generate music”. Based on nothing but a prompt.

he seems to employ it mostly as tool /instrument for the creation of unique samples and/or work up existing ones.


there’s an interesting discussion to be had here when it comes to “originality”

Ask yourself the following. What is to be looked down on more, creatively speaking?

- using (nothing but) existing Nexus presets and Vengeance samples that everyone else uses?

- prompt your “samples”. From scratch, using an ai tool?

I think of it in the same way as Sample packs, presets and the like.
It’s the tool vs crutch thing.

If you are using these things to compliment your existing skills and workflow then I don’t see a problem. If you are reliant on them to the degree where you can’t make music (or any other type of art for that matter) to the same standard with and without them, then it’s a problem.

Going forward, we will be seeing (hearing) a lot of the latter, probably without even knowing it.

 

[Magdelayna]

I agree with that 'sensationalist' style of writing a statment like that - trying to get as much attention as possible and making things sounds much more important than they are - ive seen it from a few producers now,all trying to out-do each other.

Steve Allen is a very generic producer,although i did like one of his recent tracks,even though it was a rip off of the old Aly & Fila style.

As for using AI for creating vocals,i dont mind it - as llong as it sounds decent and organic. Cant be worse than the god awful vocals we are getting from 'real' vocalists in a studio haha. I swear some are tone deaf and cant hear that they are out of tune with the music - obviouslty thats the producers fault mainly.

 

[Magdelayna]

oh! That’s me.

guilty as charged . I use AI for the following:

- stem rips for bootlegs. FADR is a good one. Which I, by the way, always send to the original artist to see if they 1 like it, 2 maybe want to send me the original stems/collab. I’ve even used it on own productions like MindBeaches with @Bobby Summa , as the original file was corrupted, and Pedro required multiple stems for a proper master job.

- video reels:
For my own label I’ve designed a logo with a changing background for each release, Grok or Hailuo can turn these into 6 seconds of video which I then work up in Resolve.

- quick&dirty demo masters.
Waves has a paid AI master service for 50 cents a track or-so, which does a fairly decent middle-tier mastering in 40 seconds, which saves me time and energy I could spend on making music. Once a demo is accepted, it will go to a proper master engineer like Nick @Narel , Pedro, or Everlight.

it sounds like Steve isn’t so much skipping the vocalist, more that he’s using AI as a substitute for Melodyne (tuner software). “Fixing” vocals can be a gruesomely time consuming task (speaking from experience here) and if AI is good at one thing besides generic “sort of in that direction” concept generating, it’s time consuming gruesome tasks. As well as thing like “large male Gregorian choir AAH in c# singing mybumholeitches” for my latest epic breakdown.

Thats all ok imo - id use those features aswell - i think when you are using AI to create entire tracks and releasing them - thats the issue. And that will happen in the future..

 

[Hoplite]

Nah I'll have to disagree regarding samples (and AI use in music)

Sampling has always been an integral part of Electronic music, almost an art in itself (especially in 90s Electronica, when they sampled old records, soundtracks, tape recordings etc) and it also kinda drove people to be explorers and diggers (in the process, giving more inspiration for productions and helping you grow).

Look into how Amon Tobin's album Foley Room was made for example. They recorded a wide array of "field recordings" from street sounds to musician jam sessions and made samples / whole new sounds out of it. So much work, passion, care.

Now going and replacing that with a fucking LLM prompt just feels like shitting all over that process, and makes people look lazy as shit imo.

Might be a hot take but I feel like AI and Music shouldn't be in the same sentence. Stop being lazy and do the fucking work if you truly give a shit about what youre doing.

 

[Magdelayna]

Might be a hot take but I feel like AI and Music shouldn't be in the same sentence. Stop being lazy and do the fucking work if you truly give a shit about what youre doing.

I do agree with that...but if you can get an AI vocal to sound like a real one and people cant notice the difference,and its a vocal you really like in your track as a producer...i think thats ok,youve still put some production work in to get it sounding like that.

AI in actual 'music' production i dont agree with - that is lazy and fake imo.

 

[Progrez]

Stop being lazy and do the fucking work if you truly give a shit about what youre doing.

That's the thing though people/listeners/djs and producers don't give a shit and they never did because they produced those tracks in that moment. It's like how people don't want to label things as 'Trance' anymore because they seem to think it's pointless and it got too confusing for people trying differentiate genres. Why do you think JOOF stopped it as well? Even Armin too as well. It got too confusing for him and his labels and promoters. Even at my workplace, people skip cases or people because they consider it to be in the 'too hard' basket and people prefer the path of least resistance to work smarter not harder or doing it in a way where they don't want to go through the stress and they would rather do the work in a lazy way rather than put effort into it.

 

[Hoplite]

I do agree with that...but if you can get an AI vocal to sound like a real one and people cant notice the difference,and its a vocal you really like in your track as a producer...i think thats ok,youve still put some production work in to
get it sounding like that.

I get what you mean. But I also think that having an AI singing in your track kinda robs it of its humanity.
Instead of having an actual vocalist recording with emotions, vocal delivery, and intensity, you have an algorithm mimicking what a vocalist would sound like if they got a lobotomy.

It just feels a bit too dystopian / uncanny for me man.

 

[Magdelayna]

I get what you mean. But I also think that having an AI singing in your track kinda robs it of its humanity.
Instead of having an actual vocalist recording with emotions, vocal delivery, and intensity, you have an algorithm mimicking what a vocalist would sound like if they got a lobotomy.

It just feels a bit too dystopian / uncanny for me man.

Yeah,it depends what type of vocal - is its a full story-driven one,then yeah - it SHOULD be a human....but i was meaning more chants and little sentences,or spoken bits...which is what you get more in Trance and Electronic music.

If a Rock or Folk band is using AI vocals,then thats different haha.

 

[Pokkryshkin]

The use of AI in music is an inevitable stage of evolution, one that has occurred throughout the entire history of human technology. Previously, people feared music boxes replacing live musicians, or synthesizers replacing orchestras, and later drum machines and samplers. Now, these are an integral part of us and considered the norm, and each time there were hopes that it was all soulless and inauthentic. Personally, I don’t care how a producer creates their material, or how many tools they use whether they are analog or digital. For me, the result is simply what matters, and I think it’s the same for most people

 

[Jetflag]

Sampling has always been an integral part of Electronic music, almost an art in itself (especially in 90s Electronica, when they sampled old records, soundtracks, tape recordings etc) and it also kinda drove people to be explorers and diggers (in the process, giving more inspiration for productions and helping you grow)

No it has not . Sampling is a mid part of electronic music. Before that the likes of Vangelis and jarre created everything from basically scratch. From drums to strings to bass etc. It’s a 90’s introduced phenomenon and snubbed by many at the time for its “stealing” and “unoriginality” and sparked some of the largest and most expensive money waste schemes of the 20th century, creative wise, with all the copyright lawsuits that followed.

it also sais nothing about levels of originality.

Sampling is taking an existing something, and blending/ transforming it into something unique.

ai sample generating is prompting something unique and then blending/ transforming it into something unique

Both require creative digging and exploring, the format is just different

 

[Progrez]

The use of AI in music is an inevitable stage of evolution, one that has occurred throughout the entire history of human technology. Previously, people feared music boxes replacing live musicians, or synthesizers replacing orchestras, and later drum machines and samplers. Now, these are an integral part of us and considered the norm, and each time there were hopes that it was all soulless and inauthentic. Personally, I don’t care how a producer creates their material, or how many tools they use whether they are analog or digital. For me, the result is simply what matters, and I think it’s the same for most people

Live music still exists and people still prefer it and it's the same for musical theatres too. EDM is slowly dying according to Armin in his latest interview.

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"He described how the soul of EDM has been overshadowed by commercial trends, algorithmic streaming demands, and an endless race for viral drops."

 

[Pokkryshkin]

Live music still exists and people still prefer it and it's the same for musical theatres too. EDM is slowly dying according to Armin in his latest interview.

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He says the right things and listens to the right music, but he does the exact opposite, only pushing the trance music industry toward the abyss