Producers and labels using gen. AI

[LostLegend]

The entire argument is that AI is the low quality garbage so we should reject it, but that's just an observation of a temporary state.

That isn't what the argument is.

Art is created from human creativity, passion & skill.
AI is a join-the-dots, paint-by-numbers accumulation of what is already out there. It wont innovate, create the next new genre or sound.
It's slop because it's soulless, talentless SLOP.

No one is doubting that it will surpass human skill and productivity at all, but if you are cheerleading this as an artform, then you do not under stand art at all.

 

[Progrez]

That isn't what the argument is.

Art is created from human creativity, passion & skill.
AI is a join-the-dots, paint-by-numbers accumulation of what is already out there. It wont innovate, create the next new genre or sound.
It's slop because it's soulless, talentless SLOP.

No one is doubting that it will surpass human skill and productivity at all, but if you are cheerleading this as an artform, then you do not under stand art at all.

I have to ask this what about the automation tool in most DAW programs? I hope I am wrong but don't producers have like an automation tool that they use in most modern day daw programs? I am not disagreeing with what you are saying here. But apart from a few things like pads and notes there is little art form left.

 

[Julian Del Agranda]

I have to ask this what about the automation tool in most DAW programs? I hope I am wrong but don't producers have like an automation tool that they use in most modern day daw programs? I am not disagreeing with what you are saying here. But apart from a few things like pads and notes there is little art form left.

I don’t think you understand what automation is.

Its nothing more than automatically twisting a knob, after having recorded your “knob twisting”. As you cannot twist 20 knobs at the same time, automation is everywhere. Automation is not “new” at all.

 

[Progrez]

I don’t think you understand what automation is.

Its nothing more than automatically twisting a knob, after having recorded your “knob twisting”. As you cannot twist 20 knobs at the same time, automation is everywhere. Automation is not “new” at all.

Thank you for correcting me that's what I was after

 

[Magdelayna]

I have to ask this what about the automation tool in most DAW programs? I hope I am wrong but don't producers have like an automation tool that they use in most modern day daw programs? I am not disagreeing with what you are saying here. But apart from a few things like pads and notes there is little art form left.

You clearly have no idea of what goes into actual producing....starting off with a totally blank screen and canvas in a DAW in your first ever day of producing...all us real producers remember that moment. And then realise what a journey it has been.

 

[Hensmon]

Art is created from human creativity, passion & skill.
AI is a join-the-dots, paint-by-numbers accumulation of what is already out there. It wont innovate, create the next new genre or sound.
It's slop because it's soulless, talentless SLOP.

AI technology is the result of human creativity and effort, keep in mind. But I recognize that's for the tool itself, like the creation of the piano, and there is a distinction between the instrument and the output.

But imagine 200 years ago, you tell someone that humans are going to create a tool in which the total human creative output can be fed into it, and then any person, rich or poor, can leverage that knowledge and experience to create new things very easily. That's actually a miraculous thing on paper. I've seen AI outputs in some medium that are beautiful, and that made me feel something. I hear human made music that i'm sure required tons of effort that makes me feel nothing (or worse). Which has more soul?

I think the conversation focuses too much focus on 'prompt = full track' pipeline, which probably represents a tiny percentage of how AI can used to support human creativity. I don't see much reflection on how its going to be a positive force.

 

[Progrez]

You clearly have no idea of what goes into actual producing....starting off with a totally blank screen and canvas in a DAW in your first ever day of producing...all us real producers remember that moment. And then realise what a journey it has been.

Of course I had no idea that's why I had the balls to ask and I am new to it how can you expect me know everything? There is no need to be rude I only mentioned it because a producer told me about it and the way it's been worded it could be interpret as something like an AI tool.

 

[Magdelayna]

Of course I had no idea that's why I had the balls to ask and I am new to it how can you expect me know everything? There is no need to be rude I only mentioned it because a producer told me about it and the way it's been worded it could be interpret as something like an AI tool.

Im not being rude at all,youre just asking silly questions

 

[Jetflag]

Im not being rude at all,youre just asking silly questions

There is no such thing as a silly question

there is such a thing as a snobby answer

 

[Magdelayna]

There is no such thing as a silly question

there is such a thing as a snobby answer

Automation has been around since the 60s or whatever,everyone knows that...its all the twiddling knobs producers do....

 

[Jetflag]

everyone knows that...its all the twiddling knobs producers do....

No dude. Not if you're not a producer.

I get it, to you and me its as easy as pie, but if you've never seriously touched a sequencer like progrez then its an honest informative question.

no need to be all upstuck about it....

 

[Magdelayna]

No dude. Not if you're not a producer.

I get it, to you and me its as easy as pie, but if you've never seriously touched a sequencer like progrez then its an honest informative question.

no need to be all upstuck about it....

we all need to be Trance snobs - with all this AI trying to take over

 

[Jetflag]

we all need to be Trance snobs - with all this AI trying to take over

 

[GeorD]

Artists in DSP recently released a plugin in open beta which uses AI prompts to generate plugins.

AMORPH OPEN BETA - turn ideas into Instruments/FX

Amorph is the first prompt-driven audio plugin that turns ideas into instruments and effects using AI prompts. No coding required. Just Ask, Compile, and Play.NEW in v0.99 (Open Beta) Amorph MIDI: A third dedicated variant for custom arps, logic tools, and generative MIDI. Custom UI Engine...

artistsindsp.gumroad.com

Thoughts? I feel like this may have potential for people looking to get creative with weird FX and I don't see it replacing high-tier and graphically-focussed plugins anytime soon.

 

[Jetflag]

Artists in DSP recently released a plugin in open beta which uses AI prompts to generate plugins.

AMORPH OPEN BETA - turn ideas into Instruments/FX

Amorph is the first prompt-driven audio plugin that turns ideas into instruments and effects using AI prompts. No coding required. Just Ask, Compile, and Play.NEW in v0.99 (Open Beta) Amorph MIDI: A third dedicated variant for custom arps, logic tools, and generative MIDI. Custom UI Engine...

artistsindsp.gumroad.com

Thoughts? I feel like this may have potential for people looking to get creative with weird FX and I don't see it replacing high-tier and graphically-focussed plugins anytime soon.

Not yet/ any time soon at least..what I like about this is that it potentially is a good solution for a very annoying problem in the scene.

namely the:

"but muh everything sounds the same and artists used to have their own pallet"

complaint.

 

[GeorD]

Not yet/ any time soon at least..what I like about this is that it potentially is a good solution for a very annoying problem in the scene.

namely the:

"but muh everything sounds the same and artists used to have their own pallet"

complaint.

Yea I agree.

I guess the underlying argument here is that AI can have a strongly variable impact on creative variety, depending on where in the process of music creation it is applied. Using AI to directly write tracks or elements of tracks absolutely leans towards the negative side imo. But using it to shape the tools which people then consciously use to make music seems to add a level of creativity which wasn't as accessible before.

As with most pieces of music technology I expect most people become lazier, but there will always be a select few who manage to use new technology in an artsy way. Plugins like this might be the opportunity to do so with AI. And this is coming from someone who generally tries to avoid it at all costs.

 

[Claude]

Thank you generative AI and its supporters for making me quit making music.

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

this shit screams Suno lol. surprised to see it from that guy, he's been around for some time, had collab with Lange, some even said he's doing ghost production. won't miss a short cut still

 

[Hensmon]

Thank you generative AI and its supporters for making me quit making music.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to what you are getting at. If you wanted to make a career 100% from music then AI is going to saturate an already diminished market, so I would be put off from going full-in on that too. But realistically there was never a viable career for producers anyway, only if you perform, which AI cannot do (at least for many many years).

So I don't fully see the reason for quitting. AI music is super generic and soulless currently, and 85% of non-AI music is weak too. So there's plenty of opportunity for a real producer to make something meaningful that is a step above the norm. You get to do your passion, people will appreciate it, and it's a needed countering force to the AI. If anything, having real producers will be more valuable than ever, and you may even find that human artists become a highly valued commodity, given the AI dominant context we will find ourselves in.

 

[Jetflag]

^ plus, and I don’t want to be a pest here @ray , but the next creative hobby or career you’re going to adapt will, most likely, also be AI influenced..

So unless your intend on making handcrafted statues out of wood somewhere and become successful at that, I don’t know what to tell you