not really, to think about it in a bigger picture - producers are doing basically the same thing as AI - their own reimagination of their past music experience. it's not purposeful copying (or could be it), but it's not from scratch. not even mentioning the widespread use of daw templates, presets, midi packs, loops, samples etc..
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To me this would just scream "I've completely given up / failed as an artist/producer".
Like why even bother calling yourself one at that point if an algorithm does it all for you? Sure, you were a producer when you were actually putting in those 1000s of man hours yourself..
But the moment AI does everything and the "producer" can't be arsed anymore, that just murders any interest I could ever have in giving their new output a chance.
Also continuing to call yourself an artist after that would be a huge piss take
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everything is a remix
It does (still) take a human mind and creativity to come up with genuine novel concepts though....AI is currently not neuroplastic enough to be "genuinly" creative/ novel so to speak..
I actually think this is a fundamental limitation unless we go quantum computing of AI...and a realm where Human artist will not only seperate themselves from the chaff, but will always(?) be neccesairy.
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When i say from scratch - i mean starting out with a blank screen on your DAW - yeah,im aware producers have used samples since the 60's or whenever it was. But at the end of the day, its hundreds of hours of work VS clicking one button...
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With every year that passes, I start to agree more with Magdelayna. Can’t add anything in this topic. Agree with everything he said. It’s stupid and will not support.
I just don't see the point in taking it so emotionally, you can't expect decent, conscious approach to it from everyone. there will always be lots using short cuts, like those who release template tracks, and we know that sometimes even big names like MIKE end up caught using them, so what to expect from the newbies that have no idea of what's ethical and what not and why.
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I actually see this thread and the reactions it illicit in people as proof that Kirby Ferguson was right on the money.
especially when it comes to peoples build-in defense mechanisms/hypocrisy when it comes to creativity, how it operates, and why they feel their "ownership" is under threat from AI.
especially when it comes to peoples build-in defense mechanisms/hypocrisy when it comes to creativity, how it operates, and why they feel their "ownership" is under threat from AI.
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I thought my position would be obvious but I'll break it down. I already don't care about all the trance music I already consider dull and unimaginative that was made by people, so I'm gonna feel the same when it was created by AI. None of this takes any opportunities away from me though. Frankly AI can't do what I do
But getting back to my original point though, I make music purely to impress myself and nobody else so why would I waste time thinking about it
Magdelayna
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Why do you think producers would feel under threat from it? I hope all us producers are happy as hell we have original music behind us...AI made tracks is just pure fakery.
Absolutely it will. I already hear stuff in the other thread that from a sound design perspective is warmer and more pleasant than some of the typical uplifting and prog stuff. OK, so its flawed in many other ways, and miles off whats possible, but I don't see any reason why it cannot learn arrangements, better sound design and what not.
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from what I observe? its the way you react to everything involving AI and music. C'est le tone qui vait la musique....
Even if its a harmless philosophical hypothetical by hens, you react extremely defensive.. constantly reciting and reaffirming how You are an Original Artist (as if that where in dispute, at least not by me)...and anything Ai is not.
You don’t give any aesthetical or logical reasoning for that when pushed or ontological credence or thought for that matter...to it other then personal revulsion/preference and sometimes others..
note: this is not meant a personal insult towards you mind you adam^ its just something I notice.. and tells me that yes..you are indeed bothered by this/threatened.
Magdelayna
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What happens if you listen to a song, find great enjoyment and emotion from it, and then learn later down the line it's AI. Of course, it will take away from the experience for you, but those feelings prior were real. Your experience is undeniable and pure. Any change in feeling after that point is self-imposed, and constitutes artificial constraints that you make the choice to apply based on principles and world view, which is totally acceptable, but it opens up interesting philosophical debate around experience and effort.
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I just have a strong opinion about certain things - and it seems only a few speak up here. I have equally as strong a opinion about guys using ghost producers....thats nothing to do with AI. Ive been against that for well over a decade....and tbh,both things are very similar to each other,ethically...its being fake.
Im still not sure how you think AI would threaten me though? I cant think of anything...
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well it certainly, at the very least potentially, threatens your (future) income for starters....YT is already being flooded with AI ambient churnouts which might very well reach a point where someone just copies "your" sound and/or feeds that into an AI machine for his own projects
but also it threatens your idea of what an artist is...If an AI can be considered artistic...(which is something you have a very strong opinion on and we both know what that opinion is) then where does that leave you? (or me) on that hiearchy? The same? Superior? inferior? yesterdays 2e hand model?
Even as a hobbyist, producing is a part of mine, and I would guess yours too, identity.
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well it certainly, at the very least potentially, threatens your (future) income for starters....YT is already being flooded with AI ambient churnouts which might very well reach a point where someone just copies "your" sound and/or feeds that into an AI machine for his own projects
but also it threatens your idea of what an artist is...If an AI can be considered artistic...(which is something you have a very strong opinion on and we both know what that opinion is) then where does that leave you? (or me) on that hiearchy? The same? Superior? inferior? yesterdays 2e hand model?
Even as a hobbyist, producing is a part of mine, and I would guess yours too, identity.
Thats a fair opinion,and who knows - it might happen. But ive been in this game long enough for it not to bother me - its took me over 20 years to build up a fairly decent fanbase and people know me for my style of music. Im not sure if an AI-fuelled music alias is capable of this? Maybe it IS the future...
Im interested to see what the next few years bring! Ive just read a report today of a new female 'Jazz' vocalist getting millions of spotify monthly listeners - and they found out its all AI - even the image of the female thats claimed to be behind it..
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Personally, Besides the "little island of my own hobby" I do still see a place for humans in the grand scheme of things...AI needs (new) content for it to make "new" stuff so to speak. I have yet to see an ai makeup an actuall new genre for instance. The outskirts of AI slop will, at least for the time being by populated by human artists.