Producers and labels using gen. AI

[Magdelayna]

Personally, Besides the "little island of my own hobby" I do still see a place for humans in the grand scheme of things...AI needs (new) content for it to make "new" stuff so to speak. I have yet to see an ai makeup an actuall new genre for instance. The outskirts of AI slop will, at least for the time being by populated by human artists.

There will be some very clever guys out there who will make millions from creating AI music....like that Jazz vocalist i mentioned as an example.

 

[Jetflag]

There will be some very clever guys out there who will make millions from creating AI music....like that Jazz vocalist i mentioned as an example.

Yup....There will also be some very clever guys out there (and already are !) who will develop an AI who can spot if something is AI and sell it to record labels, distribution platforms (and broke hobbyists) to claim the label "human" as a market brand

 

[Magdelayna]

Yup....There will also be some very clever guys out there (and already are !) who will develop an AI who can spot if something is AI and sell it to record labels, distribution platforms (and broke hobbyists) to claim the label "human" as a market brand

If the AI music gets much more advanced,which it will do - how can anything 'detect' if its AI or human made?

 

[Jetflag]

If the AI music gets much more advanced,which it will do - how can anything 'detect' if its AI or human made?

because the AI detection will get much more advanced aswell. the technology basically runs parallel.

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

to be honest, I doubt we will see AI music (at least trance) indistinguishable from hand made (so to speak) in the years to come. it's already like 90% 'there' but those remaining 10% of the progress would require exponentially increasing resources of all sorts which won't pay off on mass market. in the current world those resources will be spent on drones and missiles and military ai shit

 

[Jetflag]

to be honest, I doubt we will see AI music (at least trance) indistinguishable from hand made (so to speak) in the years to come. it's already like 90% 'there' but those remaining 10% of the progress would require exponentially increasing resources of all sorts which won't pay off on mass market. in the current world those resources will be spent on drones and missiles and military ai shit

I agree.. in terms of art I think for the most part ai output will be shlop.. albeit sometimes really good shlop

 

[Pokkryshkin]

By the way, regarding whether AI can invent anything truly new I’m not sure. But take this track I made, for example: I wanted to blend the "Russian Doomer" aesthetic with its depressive atmosphere and trance, and here is what came out… I think it sounds quite original the guitar riffs paired with that signature doomer vibe. And a second question if you didn’t know it was AI, would you be able to tell just by hearing it somewhere by chance, without any label or disclaimer?

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

would you be able to tell just by hearing it somewhere by chance, without any label or disclaimer?

easily, even from listening on a phone's speaker. there are certain technical flaws that always give it away, if you know what to look for

 

[Pokkryshkin]

easily, even from listening on a phone's speaker. there are certain technical flaws that always give it away, if you know what to look for

Just keep in mind that this is raw material in 128kbps quality may be lower. But if someone skilled in sound production had the original WAV files with individual instrument stems to work with, mixed and mastered them properly would it really be that easy to spot the AI?

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

if someone skilled in sound production had the original WAV files with individual instrument stems to work with, mixed and mastered them properly would it really be that easy to spot the AI?

lol that wouldn't be AI then

 

[Pokkryshkin]

I honestly don’t think AI is capable of writing something like Giuseppe Ottaviani’s "Linking People" or Mike’s (Active Sight) "The Search for Freedom." However, writing simplistic, modern music in the style of contemporary Armin van Buuren? I think that’s absolutely easy mod

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

what I find extremely amusing is the personal attachment that genAI users have to the outcome they get generated, like they have something to do with that 1 out of 1000000000 chance of how AI interpreted their prompt that one exact time.

there's a trick one can do to understand it better that they got next to nothing to do with the output: enter the same prompt everyday for a week or a month and make a playlist of what was generated from the same exact prompt to feel through the randomness of it

 

[Pokkryshkin]

lol that wouldn't be AI then

Why wouldn’t it be AI anymore? If a professional sound engineer masters a track for an artist, that doesn’t suddenly make the track ‘theirs,’ does it? They’re just enhancing the sound quality. The composition, the instruments, and the core idea were all generated by AI the engineer just polished the technical side. Why does professional mixing and mastering suddenly erase the fact that the music was AI-generated?

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

you got it all wrong, it's kind of boring/pointless when someone who has no clue about the production tries talking specifics. besides that noone in sane mind would do what you're describing.

I don't say it's not being actually done by mindless ego-driven amateurs and then sent as demos to the labels or released through distrokid/landr type of dumps. that does not match the sane mind criteria though

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

Has their been any in-DAW AI tooling in the way of say, AI tools in photoshop? That’s where I see the tech really taking hold. AI copilot in Ableton that teaches me how to use the tools and take shortcuts.

‘Create the midi line for me humming this song and put in track 1’
‘Add a counter melody in track 2’
‘Help me match this acid sound from this track and tell me what synth will work; and program the settings.’

I am not a producer due to lack of time to learn the process. If such AI was available I would likely get going. I suspect this tech will get more prevalent within tools directly, much like we are seeing in other industries. Claude within excel is getting nuts for instance.

 

[Jetflag]

Has their been any in-DAW AI tooling in the way of say, AI tools in photoshop? That’s where I see the tech really taking hold. AI copilot in Ableton that teaches me how to use the tools and take shortcuts.

there has, synplant 2 is probably a good example.

 

[Hensmon]

Have a listen to this below. I have a strong feeling it's AI, but not completely sure. The guy commented that he made it in Cubase and named a few plugins, but there are flags that suggest otherwise, mostly in the fact he's uploaded about 50 tracks in a week, used AI art for the image, no store links and tracks are that short and simple structure that AI seems limited too.

But I share here for the sound design aspect. There's no denying it has a very nice feel to it at points, albeit you can hear there is a basic-ness and a lo-fi touch/muddy touch. However there is also delightful moments in it too. It's breathable, warm, subby, spacey.... At first I wasn't sure if it was AI or not to be honest, and really enjoyed listening to as background music when I worked, before trying to dissect if it truly is AI or not.

 

[Jetflag]

Have a listen to this below. I have a strong feeling it's AI, but not completely sure. The guy commented that he made it in Cubase and named a few plugins, but there are flags that suggest otherwise, mostly in the fact he's uploaded about 50 tracks in a week, used AI art for the image, no store links and tracks are that short and simple structure that AI seems limited too.

But I share here for the sound design aspect. There's no denying it has a very nice feel to it at points, albeit you can hear there is a basic-ness and a lo-fi touch/muddy touch. However there is also delightful moments in it too. It's breathable, warm, subby, spacey.... At first I wasn't sure if it was AI or not to be honest, and really enjoyed listening to as background music when I worked, before trying to dissect if it truly is AI or not.

one does not have to exclude the other...most "succesful" AI songs on the internet I reccon are hybrids. So basically, the AI pumps out the general element(s) based on various attempts and prompts, which, when succesfull/pleasant to listen too, are then spliced or edited and added upon in Cubase or any other DAW to make the final track.

The big downside of working with AI is that is near impossible to change that one little minor detail that would make it from an ok' ish track to a genuine good song. This is where a lot of manual labor still comes in.

 

[ARP]

So basically, the AI pumps out the general element(s) based on various attempts and prompts, which, when succesfull/pleasant to listen too, are then spliced or edited and added upon in Cubase or any other DAW to make the final track.

This process exists? I thought the AI music software was just outputting mp3 files? You are saying there is software that exports actual stems?

 

[Jetflag]

This process exists? I thought the AI music software was just outputting mp3 files? You are saying there is software that exports actual stems?

Yup