Rare tracks not found in download stores
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Parysatis
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Oblast - Dune
A brilliant techno track. It seems that it was available from Juno Download and Beatport ... once upon a time. The label Add Cat Records appears to be defunct. The track is from the release "Act II", ... I could not find it anywhere. Any ideas?
A brilliant techno track. It seems that it was available from Juno Download and Beatport ... once upon a time. The label Add Cat Records appears to be defunct. The track is from the release "Act II", ... I could not find it anywhere. Any ideas?
Parysatis
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Narel
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This is available on Beatport, but incorrectly titled. I checked because looks like every mix of every Breeder tune is on there so seems odd this wasn’t. Enjoy.
If the quality sucks and anyone wants a recording from my 12” copy, dm me.
Trance4m8tor
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Parysatis
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Yes, that is a problem with many older releases on Beatport and Juno ...
paying for a digital master but getting a vinyl rip ... I always feel cheated.
Narel
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In many cases back then the master was cut to vinyl from DAT, so that’s what we get. Unless you know someone who has the DAT, and a player and equipment to record it….
Does anyone know if this track was ever released (digitally or on CD)?
So far I've only been able to find this 12" white label:
So far I've only been able to find this 12" white label:
Trance4Ever
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Interesting to read that, I'm a vinyl noob but if i get extreme with owning certain records i might have to start collecting and doing my own rips.
Trance4m8tor
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Be aware though that a certain amount of labels used to carve lossy mp3 on wax (Lost Language is one of them) so the true masters won't ever be found as playing records only upsamples the audio.
Narel
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What’s your source for this? This is definitely something that HTFR (store not a record label) did, I got some of these dodgy pressings so I had the tune before tracking down the original 12”, some are surprisingly good, others are dogshit.
But…. I can’t see a label like Lost Language doing this. There is no reason to when, unlike HTFR, they would be licensing the tunes directly from the producers, who would be able to provide .WAV .FLAC. .AIFF etc or even DAT for some of their earliest releases from 98/99.
Trance4m8tor
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You'd be surprised, really. I can clearly see a clear cut on their late releases (2003-2005) : Little Wonder - Eclipse, Critical 7 - Lost, Quadraphonic I Can Feel Your Love are obvious examples when tested both digtal and ripped from 12'' with Audacity (to prove the source you were asking). Even Rich's legendary "Solarcoaster" original was butchered to death. Vinyl doesn't mean a better quality standard as the records we buy are made using the exact same albeit non loud masters...
Narel
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I don't see that you can prove provenance on the master of the 12''s in that way, because a recording from the 12" cannot tell you the parameters of the source master in terms of bit transparency, and then even that is dependant on how you record it. We do not know how the audio wordlength has been altered on the master before it was pressed to vinyl e.g. if the master was a wav that was then compressed to a 320 kbps MP3, which was then used to press the vinyl, unless the routing used was completely bit transparent (it should be.... but..... y'know......) ... but even then bit transparency information wouldn't make it onto the vinyl.
We went into this a lot when I was being instructed in mastering and its why all good engineers should keep a change log in addition to any audio routing being bit transparent. But I am trained in ADC/DAC systems, and though I have mastered for vinyl, I haven't (and haven't needed to) get into this question of if bits get onto the vinyl other than as expressed as audio fidelity. I feel an email to my old tutor coming on ......
That said I have NFI who you are! You could be a faaaaaar more experienced mastering engineer than moi.
Trance4m8tor
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Ok ok...
I don't wish to add anything. I'm not not a mastering engineer or whatever but I have helped a lot on this thread and the former forum so chill out mate.
I don't wish to add anything. I'm not not a mastering engineer or whatever but I have helped a lot on this thread and the former forum so chill out mate.