Shocking stuff that destroys what was once our trance scene
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It wouldn't surprise me if it was one of the superstrings guys pretending to be the Rocketman.
Magdelayna
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Theyve quoted that there making it look like Armin having a go - but actually it was a positive comment he made - i just think the people on the FB comments are braindead and cant read an article properly haha.
It's got Trancey elements but more on the Big Room Techno side for me. Heard some of his stuff though and I quite like it, though didn't expect him on ASOT. He's done a lot of stuff with Maddix and had a few tracks signed to his label, and I don't think he's related to SUPERSTRINGS in any way.
Also I have no issue with a DJ wanting to hide their identity with a hat/costume, it's been done lots before like deadmau5 as mentioned, but Angry Man also did it I recall
Just noise after noise in episode 1208 and 1209 - The Guest Mixes in both episodes are horrendous I do not classify anything Armin plays nor the guest mix play as 'Trance' but he has a trance name. This is edm trash.
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LostLegend
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Trance has definitely split right down the middle.
If you look at the results of the 2024 top track/artist/label votes on here compared to the type of music a lot of the big festival trance DJ’s are playing, there’s a massive disconnect there.
On one side you have the push to a more traditional trance sound from the likes of the Pure Trance, Borderline and similar labels and the DJ’s/Artists associated with them, then there’s the Festival, Coachella friendly DJ’s playing what is essentially glorified EDM.
Not really too surprising. Despite how good I think the modern scene is at the moment, it’s still getting relatively little attention. People are struggling for DJ gigs and sales on their music. Then you look across at people like Armin and Tiësto who are absolutely rolling in it.
If you are trying to make a actual career in making dance music, it’s easy to see why some artists head in that direction.
If you look at the results of the 2024 top track/artist/label votes on here compared to the type of music a lot of the big festival trance DJ’s are playing, there’s a massive disconnect there.
On one side you have the push to a more traditional trance sound from the likes of the Pure Trance, Borderline and similar labels and the DJ’s/Artists associated with them, then there’s the Festival, Coachella friendly DJ’s playing what is essentially glorified EDM.
Not really too surprising. Despite how good I think the modern scene is at the moment, it’s still getting relatively little attention. People are struggling for DJ gigs and sales on their music. Then you look across at people like Armin and Tiësto who are absolutely rolling in it.
If you are trying to make a actual career in making dance music, it’s easy to see why some artists head in that direction.
I'd never classify it as trance tho.
Magdelayna
Elite Member
Yeah id class Cascada as Euro Dance,like DJ Sammy.
Having said that,id class Dee Dee - Forever as Trance
Having said that,id class Dee Dee - Forever as Trance
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Cascada is more in the ‘hands-up’ side as well, I’ve seen the term ‘dance-core’ too, for this Cascada, Rob Mayth, special D.
Dj Sammy is more in the lines with lasgo and Ian van Dahl. Commercial pop-trance. Some tracks are way more trance than lots of Armin tracks imo.
I like all of these tbh. Those acts didn’t pretend to be trance either, they were just fun dance cheese.
Dj Sammy is more in the lines with lasgo and Ian van Dahl. Commercial pop-trance. Some tracks are way more trance than lots of Armin tracks imo.
I like all of these tbh. Those acts didn’t pretend to be trance either, they were just fun dance cheese.
Magdelayna
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I just think its bad when you tell someone you listen to Trance,and they say like DJ Sammy?
Yep, agree - and I also have DJ Sammy and Ian van Dahl on my guilty pleasures list. Lasgo - Something I'd rate as a non-guilty pleasure tbf, really like that track.I just think its bad when you tell someone you listen to Trance,and they say like DJ Sammy?
Hey maybe you can tell them that DJ Sammy is one half of Parkson & hanson and they made an amazing track like Let Me BeI just think its bad when you tell someone you listen to Trance,and they say like DJ Sammy?
True, but I thought back then people were pissed off that Cascada, DHT and Special D were being classed under 'Trance' umbrella.
The reason why I posted the other videos of Armin and his guest mixes because what they are playing is not trance at all.
Armada University, lol. That laptop needs to be sent to the sun and never to be seen again, along with the external hard drive on which he has saved. British accent again by Armin. This is from 2024 but was only made public last month.
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Hey, he got paid to give some dumb people information about the program he uses. That's all he cares about, and it looks like it was a paid sponsorship because the creators of DJ Studio were there as well.
Subspace Jet Witch
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Should be worth mentioning that trance is far from the only genre suffering from this Commercial-versus-Traditional split. It's arguably what killed mainstream rock in the US (alongside the Clinton administration deregulating radio, which led to a lot of rock stations being replaced with even more conservative talk radio); if you were an american in the 00s, you either listened to emo rock or to "real" rock & roll, until it was possible you just didn't listen to any rock music at all, at least not any contemporary. Hiphop has similarly been going through the same identity crisis the past decade+, with the big conflict being between the oldheads and "mumble rap"; though the recent Kendrick vs Drake feud may have hopefully prevented that crisis from getting any worse. Country music has arguably gone through a similar split, though it's probably more accurate to say that the Nashville establishment has systematically excluded any artist that didn't pay lip service to "American values".
And those were just some of the more mainstream examples I could think of; look at dance music! I know of quite a few music critics who've taken offence to the name "Swedish House Mafia" for example, saying that their songs have absolutely zero to do with with the predominantly gay, black communities that created house music in the first place. Then there's dubstep of course, which you either associate with Skrillex, or you think was killed by Skrillex. Drum'n'bass has arguably been in the same situation, with a lot of oldschool junglists having the same exact resentment towards Pendulum.
Now, where do I stand in all of this? Well, I have quite a few friends who are quite dedicated music enthusiasts, just not towards any particular genre, and as you can imagine, their opinion on the matter has generally been that genre conventions are a fool's errand to ever care about. Remember that music genres have historically been a capitalist phenomenon, categories made up by record shop owners as a means of selling more records; it was only after the fact that scenes naturally formed around those arbitrary categories like "pop", "rock", "rhythm & blues" etcetera. In fact, since technology has shifted the music industry from physical records to streaming, there's something to be said about music genres in general to be dead, and that it would make more sense to categorize current releases by their intended function (think "study music", "sleep music", "workout music", "party music" etcetera) since that's how most listeners create their playlists nowadays, and how the industry sells music accordingly. If you think today's music all sounds generic and the same, moreso than even a decade ago, that is probably why, but I also don't think sticking to old genre conventions are a viable solution to this, since again, most people don't really think that deeply about them, ever.
You and I may think Basshunter, Armin and 1200 Micrograms may be galaxies apart aesthetically, but to the average music fan, it's all the same untz-untz-untz-untz, and which particular untz-untz-untz-untz they prefer has basically zero to do with which is the most "authentic". Thinking their opinion doesn't matter, is honestly what's hurting this scene more than anything else.
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JohnnyBarefoot1992
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I think it's much worse here in Portugal when I have to explain people I don't actually listen to Psy-Trance (at least not in a regular basis), but rather to Euro/Epic/Progressive/Vocal Trance.I just think its bad when you tell someone you listen to Trance,and they say like DJ Sammy?
@Subspace Jet Witch Have you noticed how polished they all sound though even the modern melodic trance and psychedelic trance ? they don't breathe this goes for both underground and commercial stuff as well. They sound extremely dehumanising and don't age at all sound like they have no life in them at all.