Trance artists and war in Ukraine

[Ratio]

so the artists get cancelled?

precisely for this, or rather so that it doesn't happen at all. And what's the difference between 22 and 26?

 

[Ratio]

EU sectarian propaganda

What exactly did you think was propaganda??

 

[Jetflag]

precisely for this, or rather so that it doesn't happen at all. And what's the difference between 22 and 26?

In 22 “woke” cancellation techniques worked. Nowadays they work in reverse. They amplify more then cancel

 

[Ratio]

They amplify more then cancel

maybe so, but fortunately there are few such people, and most understand the responsibility before going there.
Of course I understand those fans who would like to hear their favorite artist perform, and I also know for sure that 90% of those who come to the party have the same opinion as their president. And you probably know what he wants to do with Ukraine.

 

[Jetflag]

maybe so, but fortunately there are few such people, and most understand the responsibility before going there.
Of course I understand those fans who would like to hear their favorite artist perform, and I also know for sure that 90% of those who come to the party have the same opinion as their president. And you probably know what he wants to do with Ukraine.

most Russians who attend said parties do so out of a desire for escapism, partly from the harsh reality of living under the Kremlin regime. Its a chance for them to get in contact with what is, arguably, a western, liberal form of music that they may spread the word.

And you wish to deprive them from that? Do you honestly think that the Kremlin, who tenatively still allows said parties (unlike say: kim jong un) does not benefit from you cancelling a western music event so they can double down on their propaganda?

We've seen what isolationism does for similar regimes like north korea and its people....and it doesn't work.

You're not "Fighting for Ukraine and the cancellation of russia" by doing this via attacking ordinary artist/people.

you are making the Ukraine cause, and by extend ukraine itself. increasingly impopular with not just the russian crowd, but the western crowd, most current company in this thread included.

....which in the long run actually hurts the (war) efforts against the Kremlin regime, more then cancelling national an international artists.

 

[Ratio]

most Russians who attend said parties do so out of a desire for escapism, partly from the harsh reality of living under the Kremlin regime. Its a chance for them to get in contact with what is, arguably, a western, liberal form of music that they may spread the word.

And you wish to deprive them from that? Do you honestly think that the Kremlin, who tenatively still allows said parties (unlike say: kim jong un) does not benefit from you cancelling a western music event so they can double down on their propaganda?

We've seen what isolationism does for similar regimes like north korea and its people....and it doesn't work.

You're not "Fighting for Ukraine and the cancellation of russia" by doing this via attacking ordinary artist/people.

you are making the Ukraine cause, and by extend ukraine itself. increasingly impopular with not just the russian crowd, but the western crowd, most current company in this thread included.

....which in the long run actually hurts the (war) efforts against the Kremlin regime, more then cancelling national an international artists.

You have your opinion, I have mine, and they have the right to exist.

 

[Jetflag]

You have your opinion, I have mine, and they have the right to exist.

please quote me where I have ever denied or refuted that

 

[Ratio]

please quote me where I have ever denied or refuted that

I say it's not the time to perform in Russia, you say the opposite. So there are different opinions.

And why do I think so, I can't describe everything in a forum about trance music.

Can I ask you a question, do you speak Russian, without a translator?

 

[Jetflag]

I say it's not the time to perform in Russia, you say the opposite. So there are different opinions.

And why do I think so, I can't describe everything in a forum about trance music.

Can I ask you a question, do you speak Russian, without a translator?

chut chut, my wife is a Russian immigrant, naturalized when she was 20, and like me opposed to the kremlin regime. I can ask her to translate if neccesairy.

 

[Ratio]

chut chut

Got it.

Have you heard of such a Russian network VK? So at the beginning of the war we tried to communicate with friends in the past in the trance communities of this network (and there were a lot of them, these are fan pages and just fans of trance music gathered). And you know what happened, they absolutely all wished us de*th. Yes, the same people who listen to this beautiful music and are the same as us, and who were our friends in the past.

Therefore, we may have different views on this situation. Although the views may be similar, but the methods are different.

I don’t want to delve into this topic here on the forum, I just showed information that is relevant to this thread.

 

[trancefan2020]

What exactly did you think was propaganda??

The notion of Russian money . It's a death label by EU propagandists. It's straight up sectarian EU propaganda.

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

heard of such a Russian network VK? So at the beginning of the war we tried to communicate with friends in the past in the trance communities of this network (and there were a lot of them, these are fan pages and just fans of trance music gathered). And you know what happened, they absolutely all wished us de*th

you're delusional or lying

I know Ukrainian girl who, once war started, was using VK to send to random Russian women brutal photos of dead Russian soldiers and she was proud of her actions.

a lot of Ukrainians live full of hate and nothing else, not seeing the issue with themselves

and those who like rats escaped from the country once the war begun (or earlier coz it's a shit country with shitty paid jobs), are now the biggest Ukrainian patriots from across the globe. go at war if you care so much. pure hypocricy

 

[Jetflag]

Got it.

Have you heard of such a Russian network VK? So at the beginning of the war we tried to communicate with friends in the past in the trance communities of this network (and there were a lot of them, these are fan pages and just fans of trance music gathered). And you know what happened, they absolutely all wished us de*th. Yes, the same people who listen to this beautiful music and are the same as us, and who were our friends in the past.

Therefore, we may have different views on this situation. Although the views may be similar, but the methods are different.

I don’t want to delve into this topic here on the forum, I just showed information that is relevant to this thread.

I’m familiar with vkontakt yeh. My wife deleted her account 3 years ago when the war started. Same reason.. awefull fights, death wishes etc. In her case coming from friends in Kyiv, Minsk and Moscow.

I do not doubt your experience in that matter.


but ask yourself this:

what is my end goal here?

- disrupt the Putin regime wherever you can and its grip on Russia to end this war sooner then later?

- just get back / take revenge at those who wrote horrible stuff at you ok VK at the onset of this war?

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

this thread looks especially pathetic today

 

[trancefan2020]

I’m familiar with vkontakt yeh. My wife deleted her account 3 years ago when the war started. Same reason.. awefull fights, death wishes etc. In her case coming from friends in Kyiv, Minsk and Moscow.

I do not doubt your experience in that matter.


but ask yourself this:

what is my end goal here?

- disrupt the Putin regime wherever you can and its grip on Russia to end this war sooner then later?

- just get back / take revenge at those who wrote horrible stuff at you ok VK at the onset of this war?

Like I said before in this thread if you want to fight Putin regime , you should know where to go and I can helpto point you to go to the frontline. If you want to stop that war , stop parroting EU imperialist and sectarian talking points.

 

[Jetflag]

Like I said before in this thread if you want to fight Putin regime , you should know where to go and I can helpto point you to go to the frontline. If you want to stop that war , stop parroting EU imperialist and sectarian talking points.

Please quote me where I have parroted EU imperialist talking points, oh brave Kosak, who no doubt is texting this from the Luhansk frontline..

 

[Pokkryshkin]

Many of my friends have stopped using VKontakte because it’s simply unsafe; it’s a platform controlled by the state. You could be held criminally liable just for posts saying something like ‘Peace to the world’ or ‘No to war,’ even without the context of the invasion of Ukraine. None of them support the war, and everyone who does support it is simply consuming propaganda that streams from everywhere starting from kindergartens, schools, and TV. Even in 2025, there’s still a TV in every house spewing 24/7 chauvinistic propaganda that spreads hatred towards all nations. You probably know Orwell’s novel 1984; this is absolutely the same thing happening in Russia right now. And it’s no surprise that the most deranged communities are concentrated on state platforms like VK. I also stopped posting or even communicating there about anything—even non-war-related topics. I think most sensible Russians have done the same. I still use it for music because it’s probably the world’s largest music library; you can find things there that aren’t on Spotify or anywhere else. And deleting the account there is simply pointless because even if you delete it, all the data—all correspondence, all posts—will be stored forever.
Now, five years into the war, I notice that even the staunchest supporters of the war are starting to stop believing the TV and are beginning to see the light. I hear criticism from them more and more often, which is surprising. Everything is heading towards its logical end… that’s what I think. People are tired of living in fear and uncertainty; every day just gets worse

 

[Mosquito]

Yeah, the thing about VK is that most Russians who vocally oppose Putin don't really use it anymore - especially since the start of the war when new, much stricter censorship laws were passed (with shocking speed, I would add). And it is state controlled, so even private messages can be accessed by security services if "needed". You'll find many, many more anti-war Russians to talk to on Facebook or Instagram - which have literally been blocked in Russia for several years at this point and can only be accessed via VPN... or, well, from outside the country.

That said, there are absolutely pacifist-minded people even on VK still. But you won't know it unless you've learned the ways ordinary Russians talk about it in fear of being sent to prison for speaking out. There are code words, shorthands, euphemism, etc. From what I can tell and from personal conversations, most Russian artists do not support the war either. Some of them (though definitely not all or even most) can have questionable views regarding bordering countries in general, but even they don't think that a full-scale invasion was somehow good or justified.

So to me these efforts to cancel Russian DJs or anyone doing a gig in Russia have always looked a bit weird. I mean, I absolutely get the emotion, I can even get generalized hate towards Russians from Ukrainians. It is largely misplaced, but I can only assume that constant bombings can have such an effect on people. What I don't get is the idea that it'll somehow help us all stop the war. If anything, money flowing outside Russia to artists from abroad sounds like a good thing to me - if we assume that less money means less probability of this war continuing, of course. A big "if", mind you, because so far oil and gas money as well as the recently raised taxes have been covering all the expenses. But as other people have already mentioned, access to other cultures, and different kinds of art, and entertainment in general from inside Russia is a good thing. Having the whole country "withdraw into its own shell" completely could mean much worse.

 

[Strong_listener]

Oh, this topic has popped up again. Why aren't you writing about American and Israeli artists right now? After all, their countries have just started a war against Iran. And it's funny to read how you think people live in Russia. The only funny thing is that it was Ukrainians who wrote nasty things to me in private messages on all social networks. But I also see progress for the better; Ukrainians are no longer taken seriously. And all their pathetic attempts to appeal for sympathy are also failing miserably.

Here's another question: why do you think we in Russia are suffering under the "Putin regime"? Seeing the double standards that the entire "civilized" world is now promoting, I feel more comfortable living in "bloody" Russia. Everything is fine with us here; we aren't starting wars, unlike the US, which managed to cause plenty of trouble just during Trump's time in office. But you all stay quiet as mice, and there's no cancellation of American artists, because you know you'd be canceled faster yourselves.

Yes, this message of mine will be deleted, it's not the first time, but I still find it satisfying to see these pathetic attempts by Ukrainians to attract attention.

 

[Jetflag]

Here's another question: why do you think we in Russia are suffering under the "Putin regime"?

Because some of us have family living there and hence getting direct reports from people we love and trust

. Why aren't you writing about American and Israeli artists right now? After all, their countries have just started a war against Iran

You are free to start a topic

especially if you’re an Iranian.

Everything is fine with us here; we aren't starting wars

Lol

Yes, this message of mine will be deleted, it's not the first time

You should feel blessed by this reply then, and aside from “pathetic Ukrainians”slur, ( and the fact that you’re a bot) there is nothing wrong with your post and it’s critical tone.