Trance artists who support russian war crimes in Ukraine

[dmgtz96]

well thats a pretty skewed and frankly retarded way of looking at "my viewpoint" since I have suggested things what we should and could do about the problem. where have I actually suggested we should do nothing precisely?

Your viewpoint however, is a whitewash/ conveniently shrug-the-rest-under-the-carpet way of looking at it.

If there's only one big evil enemy we can just solely focus on that and comfortably forget the rest of the players who brought forth this mess with their endless powergrabbing abroad in places where they had no business being. Because thats nice and easy and you don't have to think about it too much.

forget about the instigators and solely focus on the end aggressor.

how convenient....

We're well past the understanding and compassion that you mentioned. It's binary now, or things will get worse.

 

[jetflag]

We're well past the understanding and compassion that you mentioned. It's binary now, or things will get worse.

Nice dodge but that has nothing to do with what I said about the instigators of this conflict needing equal condemnation and punishment

 

[jetflag]

@dmgtz96 here's in summary my non-false dichotomy concerning Ukraine.

- Putin and his crownies need to be overthrowned / punished (ea evil)

- foreign influencers and their NGO s who’ve been destabilising the country since 2009 need to be overthrowned/ punished. (ea evil)

- the ukranian people need their country back with full sovereignty (ea good)

Anything so far to disagree with? And if yes pray tell why?

 

[Hensmon]

Oh god please not another vs thread between you two. Gotta make a thread for that in off-topic if you wanna start the line by line dissection again.

 

[dmgtz96]

Nice dodge but that has nothing to do with what I said about the instigators of this conflict needing equal condemnation and punishment

well, calling someone's beliefs "retarded" will only make them double-down on their beliefs.

@dmgtz96 here's in summary my non-false dichotomy concerning Ukraine.

- Putin and his crownies need to be overthrowned / punished (ea evil)

- foreign influencers and their NGO s who’ve been destabilising the country since 2009 need to be overthrowned/ punished. (ea evil)

- the ukranian people need their country back with full sovereignty (ea good)

Anything so far to disagree with? And if yes pray tell why?

I agree with 1 and 3. 2 could be true as well, but there's no value in bringing it up now. Care about the immediate thread (Putin/Russian government). We can handle this later. This is like All Live Matter-ing when people are calling out specifically for Black Lives Matter. Nothing good can come out of calling for punishment to the Western foreign influencers and their NGOs now.
At the very least, it's very tone-deaf to call for punishment to (guilty) Western governments when Russia is literally invading Ukraine.

 

[jetflag]

well, calling someone's beliefs "retarded" will only make them double-down on their beliefs

Listen..Claiming that holding all relevant parties involved in the corruption and destruction of Ukraine accountable equates to “doing nothing”. Is a retarded position. Sorry not sorry, it just is. You’re sketching a false dichotomy and I don’t care if you think that’s therefor an excuse to clamp down on that piece of intellectual dishonestly just because it made you feel angry.

I agree with 1 and 3. 2 could be true as well, but there's no value in bringing it up now. Care about the immediate thread (Putin/Russian government). We can handle this later. This is like All Live Matter-ing when people are calling out specifically for Black Lives Matter. Nothing good can come out of calling for punishment to the Western foreign influencers and their NGOs now.
At the very least, it's very tone-deaf to call for punishment to (guilty) Western governments when Russia is literally invading Ukraine.

Right dude.. nobody is thinking of Putin right now.

you know what the problem is with “well we’ll think of that later”? The fact that by then people will have forgotten/ won’t care anymore and they’ll have moved on to their next “project”. Or did you honestly think this ends with Ukraine? Because It hasn’t for the last 20 something cases where they got away with it after “the victory”

also: you and I are not in any position to protest, vote or do anything about Putin. We are however in a position to protest, vote, call out or do something about say: Mc Cain in your case, and Verhofstad in mine.

Again: it’s not a matter of either or. No matter how badly (for some bizarre reason) you want it to be. You can go after Putin ánd the (among which) GOP members who set this all in motion with their gas-greed and NGO’s.

 

[dmgtz96]

Listen..Claiming that holding all relevant parties involved in the corruption and destruction of Ukraine accountable equates to “doing nothing”. Is a retarded position. Sorry not sorry, it just is. You’re sketching a false dichotomy and I don’t care if you think that’s therefor an excuse to clamp down on that piece of intellectual dishonestly just because it made you feel angry.

Right dude.. nobody is thinking of Putin right now.

you know what the problem is with “well we’ll think of that later”? The fact that by then people will have forgotten/ won’t care anymore and they’ll have moved on to their next “project”. Or did you honestly think this ends with Ukraine? Because It hasn’t for the last 20 something cases where they got away with it after “the victory”

Again: it’s not a matter of either or. No matter how badly (for some bizarre reason) you want it to be. You can go after Putin ánd the (among which) GOP members who set this all in motion with their gas-greed and NGO’s.

the tone-deafness continues

 

[jetflag]

the tone-deafness continues

So does the blindness

also Your logic is flawed and no amount of austrich behaviour remarks is going to alter that.

 

[Enlusion]

I was really trying to obstrain from writing the politics stuff on Trancefix, but I thought these are the news I had to share with you, trance community, in order to know who is on which side.

So 13th of September the most popular russian radiostation Radio Record has announced the annual Trancemission (Трансмиссия) festival which will be held in Moscow and Saint Petersburg in November.

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We can spot the famous Heatbeat from Argentina and two egyptians on the lineup - Philippe El Sisi and Omar Sherif, who have gained quite a nice reputation around the uplifting trance listeners, thanks to Aly & Fila support in FSOE radioshow.

How "nice" of these guys to support the genocide russia is committing in Ukraine!

Another artist who is announced to play in these 2 cities in the end of September is egyptian artist Ahmed Helmy - you can spot him on the "One World" festival lineup for the celebration of Suanda Music label.

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If they're actually gonna perform for the terrorist country, this will undoubtedly ruin their carreer and I will personally make sure that they lose a whole bunch of their fans and will be banned from performing at major trance events.

Quick reminder - as of September 2022, 70 to 72% of russians still support the war in Ukraine and believe their lying government that the "neo-nazis have taken over ukrainian government" and that russian army is "saving russian-speaking people" from bombing themselves.

And today, 21st of September 2022, their government has announced mobilization and their president is blackmailing almost all the world with a nuclear catastrophe.

Even though we're all united by the love for music, we simply can't play on both sides here, if you know what I mean. I know that a lot of people from the Middle East artists are hating the EU, NATO and US, but supporting russia's actions, by mainly stating "USA did the same" is just ridiculous.

What are your thoughts about this? And do you know any other artists we should be aware about? I'm ready to "catch" all the foreign artists who are gonna perform for russians and destroy them.

Wow that's insane... I've only seen news of Ahmed Helmy coming to Russia soon, but now Heatbeat and other few well-known artists?! It's out of my mind what's going on in brain of these DJs to come there... (P.S. This week I've relocated from Russia for a good bunch of years)

 

[jetflag]

Listen @dmgtz96 I’ve said in a previous thread that i like this place for not being twitter, and this back & forth between you and me starts to feel like one.

I suggest we take a break from this and focus on the dj’ing in Russia thing instead because we’re not going to come to any sort of compromise on this now.

edit: on top of that I am admidditly a tad more grumpy then my usual lovely self in this thread which has to do with the fact that this war affects my family directly and I’m severely sleep deprived because baby. So if I ad hominemmed you in any way apologese for that

 

[jetflag]

Wow that's insane... I've only seen news of Ahmed Helmy coming to Russia soon, but now Heatbeat and other few well-known artists?! It's out of my mind what's going on in brain of these DJs to come there... (P.S. This week I've relocated from Russia for a good bunch of years)

My wife beat you to that by 10 or so. Good to hear you’re not being drafted

 

[dmgtz96]

Listen @dmgtz96 I’ve said in a previous thread that i like this place for not being twitter, and this back & forth between you and me starts to feel like one.

I suggest we take a break from this and focus on the dj’ing in Russia thing instead because we’re not going to come to any sort of compromise on this now

Yup, I'm steadfast on my beliefs

 

[Magnevi]

At least we all agree that killing citizens who only want one thing (live life) is pointless.

 

[jetflag]

At least we all agree that killing citizens who only want one thing (live life) is pointless.

Yup, though I suppose if you're Vladimir Putin there's definitely a point to it. which is to leave Ukraine (which to a large extend ís its people) completely in ruins for the west and/or conquer it/part of it.

This is also why I see the outcome of this as rather bleak despite the positive recent advances of the Ukrainian army. How do you win against an enemy who's willing to completely scorch Ukraine rather then let "the west have it" so to speak? Ánd who's a defacto gascompany with the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet?

I think there's only one preferable option and it might be too late for that but still...

- Mobilize the russian people (30% of which are already against and/or on the fence) to overthrow the Dictator before its to late.

And to do that you need to get as many Russians on our side as possible.

which means you need as many pro Ukraine Anti-Putin protest voices on the streets there if you can, because the majority of those homegrown seeds are already been squashed/supressed .


Which means ,and i'm going to hammer this home once more since its important although many will see this as contra-intuitive in the quest to punishing Putin so to speak..

the last thing you want to do is cancel foreign artists or in this case Dj's there, since more North korea esq isolation of Russia means more grip on the populus for Putin. What you want is for them to go there and bring with them a pro ukrainian anti-government message.

Now its a far flung shot I know but if you can get those 30% óver the fence instead of on it, and with a little luck a 10% extra, you're already looking at 40% discontent russians most of which residing in the more cosmopolitan/liberal large cities. (Putin nor anyone else cares about the russian countryside peasantry by the way)

You might have enough for a succesfull revolution. especially because Putin is short on manpower and this whole war including the inevetable destruction or partial conquest of Ukraine, can be avoided.

 

[dmgtz96]

for what it's worth, the 10 years behind bars punishment for desertion and surrender is nuts

 

[jetflag]

I think they got lucky.. most countries punishment, including nl’s, for desertion on the battlefield is a lead lunch.

its the only deathpenatly still warranted by the dutch state

 

[dmgtz96]

I think they got lucky.. most countries punishment, including nl’s, for desertion on the battlefield is a lead lunch.

its the only deathpenatly still warranted by the dutch state

just saw that in the US, desertion during war time = death penalty

 

[Recharge]

This went so off topic, but there is a simple explanation. The moment Russians start executing their own soldiers, they loose the war because there is nothing stopping whole parts of their army who are against the war defecting to the Ukrainian side.

 

[Uplifted]

So far I've received absolutely no feedback from the 4 mentioned artists. I've also written this information to some labels but also received no reply.

Glad to see that russian producer Michael Filimonov aka Abstract Vision is also supporting Ukraine - he tried to contact Philippe el Sisi but didn't receive any answer. Hope he's fine.

This is the screenshot from his instagram, trying to contact Philippe.

My friend's heart is with me, but he doesn't give a fuck about my messages when it comes to money. Rave nation, think of your idols!
Like I said, I won't kill. Rave, Piece and Unity! Quiet politicians!

 

[Spacetime]

It feels wrong for them to decide to play there, for partying and conscription of soldiers to invade another sovereign nation to existing at the same time, with the same people. I'm sure there are many Russians who don't like this war, I am sure of it, but it doesn't seem enough. I would love to hear from a Russian person on how they believe the support to be split, because you can be certain you wont get the honest picture from my US news. It's clear it has a lot of support, I would just like to know the ratio.