This is absolutly true! I heard many productions with great mixing and mastering ... but the music itself was just generic and well kinda lame. I always tell new producers to give a shit about mixing/mastering and just focus on producing, thats the first most important step. I am generally disliking this whole "3 in 1" producer thingy, so basically that everyone needs to be a Producer, Mixing Engineer and Mastering Engineer. If you start learning those 3 things at once it will turn into ... well nothing good. Mastering Engineers study there stuff and are learning a long long time doing nothing else then mastering and now some kid with FL Studio and a pair of Genelecs or KRKs is suddenly all of it? Learning this stuff in 5 years or so? This doesnt work out. I do not want to make my own mark here now but I produced tracks in train rides using nothing else then a MacBook and some shitty DJ Headphones and especially one of those records went straight onto a D.Trance CD (or rather D.Techno acctually) and boom thats it. And I know why: because the track had a rather special and kind of experimental sound design and was just "something else". I tell this story all the time and the moral of it is: Make good music, everything else just happens. No matter your technical skills. Your a musician, so be one!So the amount of producers offering one-to-one tutorship is crazy. Obviously there's not much money in making trance so people are using their skills how they can - no issue with that on my end.
But it brings up a pet hate of mine. Learning how to produce is more accessible than it's ever been. Between hundreds of thousands YouTube tutorials, one-to-one tuition and even the cheats method of pre-made templates and midi-packs.
The issue is that a lot of people are learning how to produce before they learn how to make good music.
I'm not talking about theory, but the actual creativity itself. Learning what works and doesn't, how to use you ears and get a feeling for where a track should go and how it flows - that has to be learned with experience and is very personal for each musician/producer.
That's why we are getting so many releases that are produced to a very high technical standard, but have all the soul of a swarm of locusts.
- If your top 10 includes the majority of the tracks listed below, you might be a classic trance lover, but you don't have an actually developed/refined taste for the genre and lack a deep understanding of it. These are the usual tracks that may get the most likes in the classic trance scene and would win popularity contests (and for the most part, are actually awesome), but these are not necessarily the ones that fully encapsulate what trance is capable of nor are the ones someone would pick who understands the genre well, as those persons' lists tend to show/have more personality. Generic picks include: Out of the Blue, Gamemaster, Saltwater, As The Rush Comes, Take Me Away (Into The Night), Universal Nation, Café Del Mar '98, For An Angel (E-Werk Club Mix), 1998, Silence, Follow Me, etc. (so, essentially, mostly late-90s club anthems).
- There are some beloved tracks from the golden era that are considered trance classics but are actually quite harmful tracks (especially now in retrospect) because they were the precursor to a lot of modern trends (in terms of sound, artistic philosophy, etc.) that eventually disfigured and destroyed the trance genre. And yeah, you might say that these tracks sound so modern/fresh, or hey, these hold up so well, but it's only because, in some ways, they embodied that new, dumber, rotten philosophy to making electronic music before those types of "aim-for-the-lowest-common-denominator" types of EDM tracks really started to pop up in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Notable examples include Klea's Tic-Toc (Magik Muzik Remix) with its overreliance on its vomit-inducing, earwormy vocals, or Gabriel & Dresden's remix of Ash The Rush Comes with its heavy reliance on bass (like most EDM tracks in the 2010s), with its often lukewarm melody (again, EDM in the 2010s), and with a lot of catchy vocals with fake emotional depth (and again, like EDM in the 2010s).
- Vocals do not ruin trance tracks or their purity. The inappropriate/improper use of vocals does. Vocals are supposed to work similarly to how vocals work in classical music, or in classically inspired movie and video game soundtracks. Vocals should only be there to strengthen and enhance the emotional impact of the melody by acting as an additional (supporting) layer. Vocals should be subtle and restrained, they should never take the focus away from the melody, instead, they should elevate it to higher levels. Even the whispering of a few words is enough to plant an idea inside the listeners' heads and allow them to explore what story the music wants to tell through its melodies. These small vocal segments should only be there as a guideline to help the listeners immerse themselves in the musical journey where the actual feelings and story lies. An example of good vocal parts is Sunday Club's Healing Dream. An example of bad vocal parts is the previously mentioned Magik Muzik Remix of Klea's Tic-Toc.
- There are two immensely popular tracks that are just not trance tracks, even though people keep claiming they are. The first one is Robert Miles' Children (Dream Version). Even Miles himself referred to it as Dream House back when he made it in the mid-90s. It's more of a track that was embraced by the trance community than something that actually shares many resemblances with an actual trance track. The same goes for Ayla - Ayla (DJ Taucher Remix). I only liked this track when I started getting into trance, but I started to get further and further away from it the more my knowledge of trance music expanded throughout the years. I don't like it anymore, at all. I love the original from '96 which is dark, melancholic, and has a cool acid touch to it. It creates a strong atmosphere, it tells a story, and it's moving and evolving. The Taucher remix on the other hand lacks any strong characteristics I associate with trance music. It feels like random background music that you hear in a public mall elevator or restroom. It lacks energy, it lacks any kind of forward momentum, and it feels... stationary, instead of inviting the listener onto a journey. It's quite possibly the most overrated trance tune of all time - partially because it's not trance, and partially because it's not really good either. I kid you not, the heavily memed Heaven by DJ Sammy is a million times more trancey than this track (ok, let me be precise, the Green Court Remix of it).
- Trance should have died gracefully in the mid-2000s when its popularity started to fade away and/or should have gone back to its underground roots to rediscover itself (and preferably look for inspiration from the early years, especially 1993, 1994, and 1995). With this healthy and respectful attitude and its dignity intact, trance would have had the chance to rebirth like a phoenix and start gaining momentum again in the modern days, similarly to techno (which had/has a massive resurgence in its popularity). What famous and influential trance producers did, however, is they tried to artificially keep trance afloat by slowly injecting more and more commercial sounds into it, aiming at the lowest common denominator, this way slowly homogenizing the genre and stripping away all of its identity. This eventually resulted in a malformed mish-mash of electronic music that lacks any creativity, distinctive sound, and originality, and is anything but trance.
I may expand this list when more things come to my mind.
So the amount of producers offering one-to-one tutorship is crazy. Obviously there's not much money in making trance so people are using their skills how they can - no issue with that on my end.
But it brings up a pet hate of mine. Learning how to produce is more accessible than it's ever been. Between hundreds of thousands YouTube tutorials, one-to-one tuition and even the cheats method of pre-made templates and midi-packs.
The issue is that a lot of people are learning how to produce before they learn how to make good music.
I'm not talking about theory, but the actual creativity itself. Learning what works and doesn't, how to use you ears and get a feeling for where a track should go and how it flows - that has to be learned with experience and is very personal for each musician/producer.
That's why we are getting so many releases that are produced to a very high technical standard, but have all the soul of a swarm of locusts.
Hahaha, I knew the moment I started typing my comment that it will trigger you like crazy, and boy, I wasn't wrong. But then again, this happens every time I write anything, you instantly jump onto it. And after all, I saw your top 10 list. I have a feeling that you don't like me. Oh, well.Ive never heard so much rubbish in all my life - in your first point,i have over half of the tracks in your 'generic' picks in my all time top 10 - and i do indeed have a 'refined' taste in Trance music as you say i dont haha. P.S. They are 'anthems' cos they are great tracks.
Hahaha, I knew the moment I started typing my comment that it will trigger you like crazy, and boy, I wasn't wrong. But then again, this happens every time I write anything, you instantly jump onto it. And after all, I saw your top 10 list. I have a feeling that you don't like me. Oh, well.
youre typing a bullet list like its the gospel - if youre the Trance historian,i wont be coming to your library!
It's called an opinion, in a thread literally called Unpopular Opinions lol, what the hell did you expect, man? It's not my fault that I can actually underpin my thoughts (that don't necesseraly align with yours) - something that you are clearly incapable of doing - thus you feel the need to constantly harass me. Just grow up already and don't act like a narcissistic manchild. You are on my ass ever since I'm here, I 100% expected you to show up minutes after I posted my comment.
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YOU MOTHERFUCKER, YOU TAKE THAT BACK OR I WILL.... wait.... this is just an opinion and you're allowed to have that and that shouldn't ruin my day, week or life, because that would be fucking stupid.Tiesto' ISOS mixes are uninspiring - a mediocre at best track selection and disjointed mixing. Much prefer Armin's ASOT and Universal Religion mixes from that period.
I actually agree with him. Those super popular trance anthems are the first thing you hear when you start digging into older trance. If those are genuinely your top 10 tracks, that means you probably haven't listened to the best that the genre has to offer or your musical taste is actually pretty basic.Ive never heard so much rubbish in all my life - in your first point,i have over half of the tracks in your 'generic' picks in my all time top 10 - and i do indeed have a 'refined' taste in Trance music as you say i dont haha. P.S. They are 'anthems' cos they are great tracks.
It's like a ponzi scheme. Since the producers can't make enough money from their productions, what they do instead is create, market, and sell courses (or "one-on-one sessions") on music production. Then the cycle repeats.Ive been thinking this lately aswell - ok,producers need to make money and these courses are a good source - probably the best. But its just breeeding a load of soul-ess generic producers who are too technically minded. I wish everyone would start totally from scratch on a DAW with a blank screen. Let them learn themselves - thats where you get your style from.
I actually kind of agree with this, except that I would expand the range to 2011-2014. Tiesto's Club Life Vol 1 is way more interesting to listen to than Generic Steroid Banger #69.The trouse / trance 2.0 from 2012-2014 were a breath of fresh air and creatively more inspiring than the 138 uplifting purists championed in subsequent years.
Probably a popular opinion on this forum tbhAnd finally, uplifting trance as a genre has been dead to me for a good few years. Musical qualities that used to be present in trance (melody, euphoria etc.) no longer exist in this genre and have moved elsewhere (e.g. prog house / other forms of electronica).
I LOVE this energy lmaoYOU MOTHERFUCKER, YOU TAKE THAT BACK OR I WILL.... wait.... this is just an opinion and you're allowed to have that and that shouldn't ruin my day, week or life, because that would be fucking stupid.
Have a great day Peenuts, love you <3
I actually agree with him. Those super popular trance anthems are the first thing you hear when you start digging into older trance. If those are genuinely your top 10 tracks, that means you probably haven't listened to the best that the genre has to offer or your musical taste is actually pretty basic.
Nothing wrong with having a basic music taste btw (I love pop lmao), but those tracks just indicate that you haven't found your unique "sound."
Like, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, they can be a great learning resource, but there's more to being an artist than just technical side of production.Ive been thinking this lately aswell - ok,producers need to make money and these courses are a good source - probably the best. But its just breeeding a load of soul-ess generic producers who are too technically minded. I wish everyone would start totally from scratch on a DAW with a blank screen. Let them learn themselves - thats where you get your style from.
I know that you've been producing for 2 decades already, hence the part about the basic music taste.Thats either a joke comment or youve never heard my hundreds of DJ mixes lol - go check my Soundcloud.
There is at least one person that agrees with you. He has such an amazing range and melody writing skills. His second parts of the albums were pure ambient bliss.oh how I missed reading arguments on forums, it takes me back.
Unpopular opinion: ATB was a better producer than Armin van Buuren