why are they leaving?

[Jetflag]

I know you said this in 2021 - you may have changed your mind.....but i dont agree.

The REWARDS for a producer is the plays,comments, likes etc you get no your platforms every day....not about if you can get signed to a label or make some revenue. Its just about getting your music out to everyone in all corners of the world.

Oh yes and to clarify. The “rewards” in that particular sentence was, in context, meant as financial. Not a form of personal gratification, which is highly subjective and person-specific.

 

[Progrez]

If you wanna make a career in music you shouldnt really be making trance. Unless you make whatever Armin and his shitty radioshow supports you are fucked and even if you do that you are most likely fucked anyway because trance is not a popular genre and the competition is very high already among djs.
I admire producers such as Narel and Facade who are trying to build careers on making quality music and it could have worked if Armin decided to play music like that, instead of constantly being stuck with the template braindead unicorn progressive/trance. I understand he has mouths to feed and a big company behind him but that has according to me been the biggest factor in the downfall of trance. With great power comes great responsibility

Problem is that I think Armin must have decided to take his radioshow into a current pop commercial direction after he saw how 'successful' his so called electro house and big room commercial dance friends were getting based on their releases.

Here is a question, how can we convince the producers to stay to make and produce quality trance music?

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

Problem is that I think Armin must have decided to take his radioshow into a current pop commercial direction after he saw how 'successful' his so called electro house and big room commercial dance friends were getting based on their releases.

Here is a question, how can we convince the producers to stay to make and produce quality trance music?

Replace trance with the word disco and ask yourself if it still makes sense to ask this question lol.

 

[TRANCEBLASTER]

Replace trance with the word disco and ask yourself if it still makes sense to ask this question lol.

maybe I just don't get the joke, but 'Disco' is still a highly successful club genre, at least here in Europe , many new vinyl releases are out every week, here is my actual disco pick:

Monsieur Van Pratt & Boogietraxx - Pretty Good Feeling [Illegal Disco Limited] 2026

 

[GeorD]

recently listening to trance from the underground, thanks to @Progrez I heard something amazing, but in my subjective opinion. I mean the artist MK-S, Why are such pearls underestimated, is the trance genre only for people who have high emotional sensitivity? Or maybe every producer in this genre is guided by commercial success and if it turns out that he has already reached his maximum potential and the audience reacts not very enthusiastically, they leave. what do you think?

https://soundcloud.com/mksmusic%2Fmk-s-activator

post here your songs that have not been appreciated
everyone will study

This motivated me to go through all of MK-S work and wow...


Another highly underrated track from him, this is exactly my taste. The layering is excellent! Unique talent indeed.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

maybe I just don't get the joke, but 'Disco' is still a highly successful club genre, at least here in Europe , many new vinyl releases are out every week, here is my actual disco pick:

Monsieur Van Pratt & Boogietraxx - Pretty Good Feeling [Illegal Disco Limited] 2026

Ha! I didn’t know that! But hey, if disco has a highly successful market, then people produce for that market. I joke about disco because it like trance (though disco more so) took hold of the worlds attention for a small time period, and then severely waned. But I don’t see as many bitter disco heads as much as trance anyway.

Trance has a limited market, and people produce for it. It’s not good enough I guess for some here, who pine for a long lost era, a different time and place in so many ways.

I am loving the great trance that’s coming out, even though it can be hard to find. And I buy it, mix it. I can almost guarantee the biggest complainers don’t buy music, and then complain that more of what they like isn’t being produced. I dunno, I would just encourage people to support or learn to produce, rather than trying to convince 50 year olds to make music from the past for a limited market.

 

[Magdelayna]

When a Trance producer realises they cant make a living just from making tracks,then they will either quit or do it as a hobby - as many so.

The only other option if you want to go full time is to DJ and tour your ass off,in order to make enough money to make a living out of it.

 

[tranceissomewhatalive]

When a Trance producer realises they cant make a living just from making tracks,then they will either quit or do it as a hobby - as many so.

The only other option if you want to go full time is to DJ

Becoming a ghost producer is an option but it requires a lot of skill and investment in a decent studio, obviously not many make it to this point, also not everyone would be cool with it ethically.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

Becoming a ghost producer is an option but it requires a lot of skill and investment in a decent studio, obviously not many make it to this point, also not everyone would be cool with it ethically.

Even if you went that route though how much money is in it you’re making tracks for other trans producers and a market that doesn’t have a lot of revenue.

 

[Magdelayna]

Even if you went that route though how much money is in it you’re making tracks for other trans producers and a market that doesn’t have a lot of revenue.

Ghost producers just take a flat fee,doesnt matter how many the track sells.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

Ghost producers just take a flat fee,doesnt matter how many the track sells.

I know that, but the person paying for the track would presumably need track sales justify the track in the first place

 

[Magdelayna]

I know that, but the person paying for the track would presumably need track sales justify the track in the first place

Well,normally they have loads of money like that Bixx geezer who lives in a mansion...

 

[TRANCEBLASTER]

Ha! I didn’t know that! But hey, if disco has a highly successful market, then people produce for that market. I joke about disco because it like trance (though disco more so) took hold of the worlds attention for a small time period, and then severely waned. But I don’t see as many bitter disco heads as much as trance anyway.

Trance has a limited market, and people produce for it. It’s not good enough I guess for some here, who pine for a long lost era, a different time and place in so many ways.

I am loving the great trance that’s coming out, even though it can be hard to find. And I buy it, mix it. I can almost guarantee the biggest complainers don’t buy music, and then complain that more of what they like isn’t being produced. I dunno, I would just encourage people to support or learn to produce, rather than trying to convince 50 year olds to make music from the past for a limited market.

there were also some massive 'Disco' hits in the last years: 'Todd Terje - Inspector Norse' was played everywhere from small bars to big festivals, also 'Krystal Klear - Neutron Dance' was a very huge hit. maybe you are just out of touch.)


to topic: imo the modern mainstream/uplifting 'Trance' lacks the production quality/standards of modern music. the 'Techno' and 'House' producers figured out how to push their sound further in terms of power fullness somewhere after 2010. 'Trance' is lagging behind for 15 years. I find it difficult to enjoy many tracks shared here on the forum. they sound plastic and their hum reminds me of a running vacuum cleaner, there is no warmness. I think 'Trance' will only regain its popularity, when producers will improve the overall sound quality.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

there were also some massive 'Disco' hits in the last years: 'Todd Terje - Inspector Norse' was played everywhere from small bars to big festivals, also 'Krystal Klear - Neutron Dance' was a very huge hit. maybe you are just out of touch.)

I consider that disco house which isn't to me the same thing. If you are including that, include the huge presence of folks like Purple Disco Machine as well. There are trance influences in a top of extremely popular top 100 hits as well, but I don't consider them trance just because of the influences.

I find it difficult to enjoy many tracks shared here on the forum. they sound plastic and their hum reminds me of a running vacuum cleaner, there is no warmness. I think 'Trance' will only regain its popularity, when producers will improve the overall sound quality.

You share some awesome stuff though from the underground, and there were a lot of great mainstream tracks last year too. I don't disagree with your sentiment but, isn't it important to support the scene we do have so it grows organically to improve?

 

[dmgtz96]

I might have said this before, but ultimately: artists *also* want to be recognized for their work. If you spend 10-30 hrs on a track (just estimating how long it would take), wouldn’t you want to get something out of that?

I don’t know what the European electronic dance music scene is like. In the US, electronic producers are unlikely to spend so much time on a trance production that would maybe get them hundreds of views on YouTube or less than a thousand streams on Spotify. And, I can’t say I would be any different- if I had the music production chops, I wouldn’t be producing trance at all

 

[Hensmon]

I might have said this before, but ultimately: artists *also* want to be recognized for their work. If you spend 10-30 hrs on a track (just estimating how long it would take), wouldn’t you want to get something out of that?

This is true. I am someone who very much enjoys doing passion projects, but I've come to realize that without any meaningful feedback or recognition they loose their appeal and you question why you even bother. Eventually everything needs some input back, whether big personal gain or the community giving the thumbs up. Probably doesn't even have to be too big, but something...

 

[TRANCEBLASTER]

I consider that disco house which isn't to me the same thing. If you are including that, include the huge presence of folks like Purple Disco Machine as well. There are trance influences in a top of extremely popular top 100 hits as well, but I don't consider them trance just because of the influences.

then you have househeads like me, who aren't exactly thrilled that every rhytmic track with a lower BPM is labeled as 'House'. I'm also a proponent of the term 'Nu-Disco', which is of course, the natural evolution of classic 'Disco'.)

I might have said this before, but ultimately: artists *also* want to be recognized for their work. If you spend 10-30 hrs on a track (just estimating how long it would take), wouldn’t you want to get something out of that?

my first job was in an art gallery. once a year, we hosted a benefit event featuring three painting from thirty different local emerging artists. the event lasted a week, while some artists sold all three pieces, others didn't sell a single one. those who were unsuccessful felt quite disappointed, but that's how life goes. imo every producer should analyze both their succeses and failures to move forward.
doing things on your own way, starting a tiny label for your own tracks, uploading them to internet, and waiting for success in mostly a fantasy. similarly, I don't see the point of sending music to labels that release new tracks every week, its like a needle in a haystack. if someone follows this path, it's very difficult to actually get noticed by the public.