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    There is still some good hard trance even in 2013, but hard to find... strange, that it is not even posted in the releases section...
    So I sticked with this sound, but yeah, turned also more onto hardstyle or tech trance...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thijsje View Post
    I think most of the crowd moved to hardstyle. Not really surprising when listening to people like noisecontrollers, headhunterz, frontliner,, the r3belz, code black etc. Those guys really fit to the hardtrance haydays
    Sry, but these guys doesn't sound like Hardtrance at all, more like some random commercial EDM pushed to 150bpms.

    heres one of my favorite Hardtrancers:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwertz View Post
    Sry, but these guys doesn't sound like Hardtrance at all, more like some random commercial EDM pushed to 150bpms.
    Commercial, yes. Random, nothing more than other styles.

    1) Check this video from 1.40 = pretty trance'ish breakdown + supersaws


    2) One of the main hardstyle events (Qlimax) had quite a lot to do with hardtrance in the early days. After that this genre developped more into this "nustyle" with poppy vocals etc. But it's still there, developping a lot and attracting the big young crowds that don't go to trance parties right now.



    3) There are dozens of (hard)trance tracks that have hardstyle remixes or bootlegs. Works perfectly
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    I didn't get into it till music till i was around 13 so my favorites are a little more modern.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Thijsje View Post
    Commercial, yes. Random, nothing more than other styles.

    1) Check this video from 1.40 = pretty trance'ish breakdown + supersaws
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    2) One of the main hardstyle events (Qlimax) had quite a lot to do with hardtrance in the early days. After that this genre developped more into this "nustyle" with poppy vocals etc. But it's still there, developping a lot and attracting the big young crowds that don't go to trance parties right now.

    movie

    3) There are dozens of (hard)trance tracks that have hardstyle remixes or bootlegs. Works perfectly
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    Hardtrance music is more than a long breakdown and a supersaw-lead, actually there are plenty of hardtrancers that don't even have that... the main difference to these kind of modern hardstylers (also called nustyle as you mentioned correctly ) is that a hardtrancer has more of a "banging" kick and bassline arrangement (thus "hard") + some rythmical arrangement and occasionally some 303, while a modern hardstyler is just using a dull sounding distorted kickdrum.

    Actually you can turn any record into a hardstyle-tune just by replacing original kick and bass with that distorted kick and speed it up to 150bpm.

    When it comes to the melodies some hardstylers may go into the same direction as some hardtrancers, but most of them sound quite cheesy if you ask me. Overall not enough to claim that its supposed to be some kind of successor to hardtrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwertz View Post
    Actually you can turn any record into a hardstyle-tune just by replacing original kick and bass with that distorted kick and speed it up to 150bpm.
    Nah, it's way more than that. But it's all about taste
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    Quote Originally Posted by K1aptcha View Post
    There is still some good hard trance even in 2013, but hard to find... strange, that it is not even posted in the releases section...
    So I sticked with this sound, but yeah, turned also more onto hardstyle or tech trance...

    Who is afraid of 145?
    I think there's a line between trance and hard trance that people draw, probably wouldn't appeal to most normal trance fans that much. Then again, considering the progressive trance/psy penetration that's happening around the tech trance scene, and that some of those releases get posted here, maybe the same would be true for hard trance? I remember S.H.O.K.K's remix of The Leaving Dove got blasted a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thijsje View Post
    Nah, it's way more than that. But it's all about taste
    I suppose it's just like any EDM, trance included. Some producers get away with productions that don't require a lot of thought or skill, but still manage to be crowd pleasers. It's a bit sad that it's that kind of hardstyle that's getting some mainstream attention.

    More on topic, how are feelings about the current hard dance scene? It's pretty different to the glory days of hard trance, but I think you can find some of the features of the tracks you like? It's a much more dynamic genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blonk View Post
    Some producers get away with productions that don't require a lot of thought or skill, but still manage to be crowd pleasers. It's a bit sad that it's that kind of hardstyle that's getting some mainstream attention.
    Yes, this genre is sometimes a bit more "flat" when it's about building up and progressing, especially compared to other genres like progressive trance and techno. But that's not about skills themselves, because quality wise they are just great.

    I don't believe that there are top jocks in the hardstyle scene who don't have enough proper skills.
    I'm an ex producer myself and I can clearly hear that 99% of the main hardstyle tracks are top notch! And a lot producers really know what they do
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    The good days of hardtrancing, Gated kicks, reverb basslines, gnawling percussions and that cheezy dry melody that pushes hardtrance to extinction in a noble cause

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thijsje View Post
    I think most of the crowd moved to hardstyle. Not really surprising when listening to people like noisecontrollers, headhunterz, frontliner,, the r3belz, code black etc. Those guys really fit to the hardtrance haydays
    Those guys you've mentioned to me are just barcoded brands nothing more. They appeal to the masses now with their 'tok-tok' kicks and weird melodies which i never really like and needless to say i don't find any particular connection with hardtrance nor early hardstyle as a veteran myself

    Those days I was so fanatically engross with hardtrance that i kinda sidetrack from other genres. Till a fateful day where Hardstyle emerged out of nowhere(2001). I tell myself who are these guys and wtf are they trying to do, at first glace their music seem to be very unsociable, everything to them was gloomy, cataclysmic. Its totally like the doppelganger of hardtrance without the dry icing melodies. Tracks like these K-Traxx - Noise Tool (Technoboy Remix) Digital Guerilla - Warriors dominate the adolescent scene with hardly any mention outside Italy, Germany or Netherlands

    I remember stumble across my first hardstyle track Ard Und Jorn - 16 (DJ Nagoom Remix) . I was in awe as it felt out of place inside a hardtrance set. But on the another hand it got me hooked as those screechy sounds seem to match with the percassions. This diversion gave me something to look up for.

    Alas i spend more time in hardstyle then in hardtrance as like i said hardtrance started to dwindle and wither. And as always good things never last as hardstyle "changed" in 2007 and started its journey to mass-commercialisation. I never really dreaded this but i guess everything will make its way somewhere. Weather you like it or not the mass makes the decision. Early hardstyle which i now call it is such an oddball i guess it had influence in hardcore thus the "fuck melodies" statement which i till this day truley adore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IZE View Post
    I remember stumble across my first hardstyle track Ard Und Jorn - 16 (DJ Nagoom Remix) .
    Yeah, 16 is awesome!

    Quote Originally Posted by IZE View Post
    Tracks like these K-Traxx - Noise Tool (Technoboy Remix)
    The point I'm trying to make is that a lot of these guys moved up, and now attract the same kind of big crowds that trance used to do in the past.

    And talking about Technoboy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZE View Post
    I remember stumble across my first hardstyle track Ard Und Jorn - 16 (DJ Nagoom Remix) .
    Yeah, 16 is awesome!

    Quote Originally Posted by IZE View Post
    Tracks like these K-Traxx - Noise Tool (Technoboy Remix)
    The point I'm trying to make is that a lot of these guys moved up, and now attract the same kind of big crowds that trance used to do in the past.

    And talking about Technoboy.... that's quite a mainstreamer as well.

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    What's all this hardstyle nonsense?
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