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    Difference between ableton and normal dj set

    I'm entering in for a DJ competition for a club round mine. On the website it says, don't bother using ableton as we will be able to spot it from a mile away, we're looking for someone who knows how to use decks etc.

    I don't actually have ableton, I was just wondering how you can tell the difference between one of those sets compared to a set done on the decks?

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    Ableton - software, normal Dj set - hardware. Mixing in Ableton is 539756921352130 times easier than on decks and mixer.

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    I know all of that, I'm just wondering how you can tell the difference? Will the ableton one be flawless is that what he means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffo View Post
    I know all of that, I'm just wondering how you can tell the difference? Will the ableton one be flawless is that what he means?
    Yes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by asteski View Post
    Ableton - software, normal Dj set - hardware. Mixing in Ableton is 539756921352130 times easier than on decks and mixer.
    Mate, i can`t even describe how wrong that statement is...

    And no, you can`t see deference between Ableton and mix with decks, cuz its basicly the same thing, and it all depends on the DJ, not your gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggy01 View Post
    Mate, i can`t even describe how wrong that statement is...

    And no, you can`t see deference between Ableton and mix with decks, cuz its basicly the same thing, and it all depends on the DJ, not your gear.
    Of course it depends on Dj, but it's almost impossibe to make 6 second transition on decks, which on Ableton I can make with finger in my butt. Quality of transitions are easy to differentiate as well, tempo is not always equally (unless you use master tempo, if yes, why even bother?) even from very good Dj. You can't say mixing on decks is equally easier and faster then on Ableton, because it's not.
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    Ever tried warping and mixing at the same time in Ableton? Its the same as cueing decks...
    Also i wouldnt exactly call DJing 6 second transitions :P

    I bet you ment that beatmatching is easier on Ableton, but thats pretty much only thing thats easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggy01 View Post
    Ever tried warping and mixing at the same time in Ableton? Its the same as cueing decks...
    Also i wouldnt exactly call DJing 6 second transitions :P

    I bet you ment that beatmatching is easier on Ableton, but thats pretty much only thing thats easier.
    It's definitely not the same. I wouldn't call Djing something, where master tempo is been used, and in Ableton it's only possible option, that's one of the main reasons why Ableton is almost always banned from mixing contest.

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    Christ.. are you for real? Are you even Djing? Ever tried djing with Ableton?

    Ableton is used in like 80% of the major sets you hear, as an mixing option or as effect rack.
    And what master tempo are you talking about, do you know what warping is?

    Banned from mixing contest?
    Mate, take no offense, but you should really do your math before you post nonsense like that.

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    Sure, I've been using Ableton for quite long time, and I can assure you, almost no one uses 'Session Mode', as it's way easier on 'Arrangment Mode', which have nothing to do with Djing. But even if we say, he'll mix set on Ableton, using no external hardware and he wins, it's useless, because they need someone who can mix using only hardware.
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    find some PvD sets from the last couple of years, that REALLY will tell you what the difference is. Think I might be right in saying Myon & Shane 54 us ableton and similar too?
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    I'm producing a bit in Ableton, but i'm clueless to DJing with it Much more comfortable with decks and a mixer.

    Why would anyone use Live for the convenient beatmatching? It's not like it's taking forever to beatmatch a tune on decks..


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    Quote Originally Posted by ^JASON View Post
    Why would anyone use Live for the convenient beatmatching? It's not like it's taking forever to beatmatch a tune on decks..
    Why do people buy ready made stir fry, grated cheese, packaged cut up fruit?

    Convenience sells, it's stops people from having to learn a skill, go through a process they can't be bothered with
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffo View Post
    I know all of that, I'm just wondering how you can tell the difference? Will the ableton one be flawless is that what he means?
    It's most likely going about the craftsmanship of the DJ.
    DJ's who are able to make great mixes with CD players or turntables are most likely more experiënced in making good sets and especially in "reading" and feeling the crowd.

    And yes, there's definately a difference between doing a set of two hours and doing a mix of two hours.
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    PvD doesn't dj anymore, unlike many other electronic music producers he only plays live using Ableton.
    But when someone uses Ableton Live to dj and warps the tracks it sometimes sound like crap even if you warp only a little bit
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