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Colin (03-18-2013)
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I have a fight with my friend who says Psy trance came before "normal" trance and that the real definition of trance is psy trance.
So... what did come first?
And in your opinion, when someone says "trance", what should come in mind, psy trance or "normal" trance?
It's hard to say. Historically first trance records started to emerge in Germany in the 80's. Term Goa/Psy Trance was officialy established at early 90's. Goa/Psy genres of course existed before Trance when Goa movement started in India in 60's and 70's, but music played at that time had nothing to do with Trance.
Last edited by asteski; 03-17-2013 at 10:09 AM.
You've got a fight with your friend over this??
Interesting question!. Im no expert at all but I think the initial elements that make up trance, like 4/4 beat, breakdowns, melodic hooks started in Germany in the 80's, but if i remember correctly the culture didn't develop untill after acid/gabba era and eventually hard house/hard dance started to branch off in two directions, one of the being trance. This is probably subjective to my country though.
Im pretty sure Psy-trance was a by-product of British settlers in Goa during the psychedelic rock periods (pink floyd, the doors, grateful dead) in the 70's. A pretty big hippy movement was then born and pioneers like 'Eight-Finger Eddy' have been credited for the first ever psy parties in this time. Apparently the huge abundance of psychedelics and legal hashish helped a lot hahaaa.
So yeah psy probably did come first, but when someone says "trance", normal trance should come to mind not psy-trance. They are so so similiar but also so so different.
argument*Originally Posted by Ataraxia
What is "normal" trance ??
Exactly.
If you compare trance from 1998 and follow the movement of the trance that AvB, Oakenfold, PvD, Ferry Corsten etc. did, then you will discover that the psy influences in trance are decreasing. That could mean that psy was earlier than "normal" or uplifting and progressive trance.
Nevertheless, imho it all does not matter where trance came from or who was first. Just enjoy the music you like
Happiness is everywhere, but it's never complete...
Tbh I dont really care who or what was first :-) I do find it interesting to see that psy is getting more popular these days. Especially as it has a bigger focus on the darker sounds instead of the vocal and more mainstream kind of trance.
Colin (03-18-2013)
Psytrance itself is getting more popular again, yay
Happiness is everywhere, but it's never complete...
Colin (03-18-2013)
Check this out: http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
No offence to you but this list is clearly made by someone with prejudices and defo not up-to-date
Happiness is everywhere, but it's never complete...
I came across this a while back and thought the same. Shame really cause there is actually good information and examples buried in amongst the garbage!
Neither.
"Trance music" is a clumsy label I think, it's just a kind of dance music and doesn't target to put the listener into a state of trance. :P
As someone said in a comment of this video "this is ambient - the real music for meditation. no beats, only atmospheric melodies. the real music that can be called trance. but the trance genre that we know is called so only because it had to have a name. trance is a derivative form of ambient music, but the real trance is ambient"
Yeah, I understand his opinion as ambiënt brings me - personally - closer in a special state of mind... further away from everything. This especially compared to trance, which just gives me only the extra bit of high when listening it.
Not really digging a part in his sentence when he says "the real music", as I'm allergic to the words "real" and "best" when it's about describing music (you need to feel it, not describe it). Nevertheless, I understand his statement and I think I agree on his opinion since our trance music got influented from these ambiënt sources
Last edited by Thijs; 03-17-2013 at 18:51 PM.
Happiness is everywhere, but it's never complete...
1st bold: it for sure used to and I'd say it still does — depends on what kind of trance you're listening to.Neither.
"Trance music" is a clumsy label I think, it's just a kind of dance music and doesn't target to put the listener into a state of trance. :P
As someone said in a comment of this video "this is ambient - the real music for meditation. no beats, only atmospheric melodies. the real music that can be called trance. but the trance genre that we know is called so only because it had to have a name. trance is a derivative form of ambient music, but the real trance is ambient"
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2nd bold: I completely disagree with this statement. They didn't start to call it trance only because all the other cool names were already taken, they called it trance because with all those sci-fi futuristic, cybernetic, psychedelic sounds that music used to bring people in a state of trance.
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