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It has done its job though. Look at how much free press this shitty track got. John, Christopher, and even on this forum. It got free press. It got what the marketing press wanted.Originally Posted by Marco1979
Last edited by jeoblogb; 02-09-2017 at 18:32 PM.
Marco1979 (02-09-2017)
some parts of this are very true,and it makes me sad. Theres quite a lot of things i hate about the scene nowadays and the last few years - the hashtags,the EDM scene,the many many labels that have nothing to lose...i could go on.
It seems underground producers are getting pushed more underground now,there was an era around 2006-10 when big djs like Armin were supporting on ASOT the brilliant talents on the smaller labels,the trance forums were thriving - but now twitter and facebook have taken over - and to put it bluntly - i really dont like this era much at all.
This forum and site is one of the remaining bright lights imo.
Daysleeper (02-09-2017), Marco1979 (02-09-2017)
Sounds like real life as usual and the Jungle rule still applies. It's all about survival of the fittest then. Armin doesn't care about supporting talent anymore. He intentionally changed directions because he got what he wanted. He wanted to sellout after he had reached a climax of his creative career. Armin basically used other people's work to get to the top which is why I think DJs and compilation cds are cancer of this world. I dislike them a lot. Most producers are often forced to dj because they are trying to make a career out of it, but if you ask any producer, if they wanted to DJ, they will say fuck no.
DJing is for losers.
Last edited by jeoblogb; 02-09-2017 at 19:34 PM.
Il survive alright,but i wont sell my soul to a ghost producer/engineer.
Yeah, but you have a boring 9-5 day job, Adam just like us losers too, but, hey at least you get to be creative which beats doing a monotony of a job.Il survive alright,but i wont sell my soul to a ghost producer/engineer.
Last edited by jeoblogb; 02-09-2017 at 20:03 PM.
Yeah, and that's why I respect the fact some producers refused to change their passion (making trancemusic) into making something they probably even don't like. Respect for you and other producers out there to stay true to themselves. U know who they are.
Maybe some producers like the edm they make now, but for me as fan of trancemusic it's impossible to imagine. Just listen to some of that popshit. But most of the producers who refuse to fit in that edmsound don't have a successful career as a dj or is simply not interesting to be picked up by a managementagency. Armin in present time is only supporting new edm 'talents' with the whole 'star' marketing profile, look at the Armadaroster and you only see edm producers and acts. All trance artists and labels are pushed away by Armada the last couple of years.
I fortunately know where I can find the nowadays good trancemusic on the different labels out there. But I sometimes feeling sad to hear amazing trancetracks on you tube or soundcloud with no official release. So the (bigger) labels only searching for bangin' clubfestivalsounds I suppose.
Because we're a little bit older it's good and great to be around in the golden trance era. But when my nephew hear the word trance he's playing Martin Garrix with Animals. So the new generation is brainwashed already.
And this era with the popularity contests and ghostproducers, buying followers on FB and SC is bad, but will never changed back I'm afraid.
Word "trance" for your every-day folks is one of the most negative words one can imagine. In Estonia Trance is generally a negative term for any kind of very bad edm music.
THis is for example trance
Marco1979 (02-10-2017)
Now i am completely confused. So you claim one should not be a prisoner of his style?
NO, I never said that but if you really love what you do, do it with passion, otherwise, don't do it at all. Music was about sharing ones love and passion for what they loved doing. It was art that many people still appreciate. It's why this community was born. EDM has no passion in it. It sounds so half-assed.
If producers kept a rotation policy, like one month, you would hear a beautiful genuine trance track and then a few months later, if they wanted to, they could experiment something else, then there would be less bitching, and more people would enjoy the music an artists put out. Though, the ironic thing about your statement is that these sellouts have become a prisoner of their own style.
Unfortunately the lifestyle they've chosen, it does not allow them with freedom like it used to anymore. They've committed career suicide. They can't breakout of this vicious cycle. They are stuck making this mindless drivel because that's what people want. If they did breakout, they would be lost in the wilderness, like a lot of these producers past and present. They are basically trying to stay relevant when I don't get what games are they trying to play? What is the point of trying to stay on top?
By they, I meant the big guys like Armin van Buuren. Compare 76 to Intense. Although intense probably sold more, I am sure Armin is probably way more proud of 76 than he of intense.
It's not like Trance is out of fresh or amazing ideas or the fact that these people can't. It's because they don't want to and their new lifestyle choices prevents them from producing jaw dropping trance tracks because that stuff won't sell to the masses.
Last edited by jeoblogb; 02-10-2017 at 00:07 AM.
Yeah, I can speak for Serbia and it's pretty much the same. There's a small trance stage at Exit, and there have been some trance festivals in Belgrade, once or twice a year. The crowd goes there mostly for the trip (drugs), and younger ones go just so they can call themselves ravers or something. I also know about very few of Serbian trance producers here (even though Pulsar is a Serbian label), most just go for house and techno which are much much more present. Also, the younger crowd started catching up on the EDM craze.
Sounds like History is repeating itself. When we were growing up, people used to call this Trance.
Even Special D considered himself Trance when he joined Trance.nu. Extreme cheese alert.
Though, this I am not closed minded like some people on this forum think I am. I will genuine accept when I hear a brilliant remix. Like the one below from H&J and even the original is great but I can spot a really shitty track to a person who really put a genuine attempt. I have no problems with pop remixes, but just make it sound nice and show what you are made of. Impress me.
This is what Trance was about. Just beautiful, euphoria, uplifting cheerful and sadness music.
Last edited by jeoblogb; 02-10-2017 at 07:51 AM.
Then you have the very serious style which I can say is dead. Hard Trance. Oh how I used to slam this tune back in the day.
This style morphed into Hardstyle, which was just garbage. It seems to what the EDM fans would listen. Way too hard the kick. The drugs and sex references pissed me off so much too.
Last edited by jeoblogb; 02-10-2017 at 07:36 AM.
Why do people keep insisting that they so much more about what motivates the producers, rather than the producers themselves. There are several ex-trance guys who have repeatedly said that they just got fed up with the style, nothing to do with choosing a lifestyle.
It is also completely false to claim that EDM DJs do not do what they do without passion, how would you know? Have you spent time with Martin Garrix in his studio? Is he sitting there with boredom on his face, almost crying, while writing a track that would make him more famous and bring in another million? I seriously doubt it. There are many people who also enjoy being successful, i can also guarantee that majority of the EDM producers LIKE the stuff they write, because seeing tens of thousands of people jumping after your created track will generate positive emotions in any normal human being.
Thing is, for 99% of trance listeners in the world, trance became thing once it became the most popular music style. I am talking about the massive street raves in late 90s early 00s and shows like Sensation and so on.
The underground trance scene has always been there and always be there, but in big scale of things, it has been irrelevant and influenced trance only to extent of giving it the basics. Then the dutch guys took it further and made it a pop-genre. Majority of the examples you have posted here and other topics all belong to the mainstream trance.
Now those producers all made pop music and they still make pop music. Pop music has a tendency of going around in cycles, a new melody/style appears, everyone tries to follow it.
It started with trance and massive amount of main-stream pop-trance followed (like Sash!, Lasgo, Sylver etc)
Just like previously you had Eurodance, which evolved from from underground house, at some point added rap
as that was hip thing in early 90s, then it got lamer and lamer and eventually died out in late 90s when it had evolved into ridiculous child-disco music:
After a while, the style gets overused, tried and tested million times and is just not fresh anymore. Same happened with trance in a decade or so and was replaced by the SHM/Guetta style vocal pophouse, which then took on some elements from hardstyle and became the bigroom edm and other producers took on the "tropical house" approach, which is really nothing else but revival of type of reggae-eurodance mash from 90s
You cannot blame pop music writers following trends. Simple as that.
Because I have seen it and I know quite a few producers who have made this confession
I also don't have anything against Martin himself, but he is just random person they've picked off the street, just like Justin Beiber.
I am not saying that all popular things are shit, far from it, but it just depends on how its marketed. This is partly the fault of the internet. It gives shitty tracks popularity than it needs to.
Sure I can blame trend because that trend shows that the writing has gone and writers are just writing dumbass tracks just for the sake of it. Like I have said, I have nothing against pop music in general, but if it sounds shit, I will say it without any hesitation. I am more about passionate music. I want to be impressed. The beauty about trance is that it really shows how beautiful music can be. It's so euphoric that no other electronic music has ever reached that level of euphoria and won't ever.Thing is, for 99% of trance listeners in the world, trance became thing once it became the most popular music style. I am talking about the massive street raves in late 90s early 00s and shows like Sensation and so on.
The underground trance scene has always been there and always be there, but in big scale of things, it has been irrelevant and influenced trance only to extent of giving it the basics. Then the dutch guys took it further and made it a pop-genre. Majority of the examples you have posted here and other topics all belong to the mainstream trance.
Now those producers all made pop music and they still make pop music. Pop music has a tendency of going around in cycles, a new melody/style appears, everyone tries to follow it.
It started with trance and massive amount of main-stream pop-trance followed (like Sash!, Lasgo, Sylver etc)
Just like previously you had Eurodance, which evolved from from underground house, at some point added rap
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as that was hip thing in early 90s, then it got lamer and lamer and eventually died out in late 90s when it had evolved into ridiculous child-disco music:
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After a while, the style gets overused, tried and tested million times and is just not fresh anymore. Same happened with trance in a decade or so and was replaced by the SHM/Guetta style vocal pophouse, which then took on some elements from hardstyle and became the bigroom edm and other producers took on the "tropical house" approach, which is really nothing else but revival of type of reggae-eurodance mash from 90s
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You cannot blame pop music writers following trends. Simple as that.
Last edited by jeoblogb; 02-11-2017 at 22:17 PM.
"Saving light" is another cheesy vocal production (this type of "trance" ruined the genre around 2008-2010). Actually, you can't make trance no. 1 again with this kind of stuff.
Daysleeper (02-12-2017)
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