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    'Objective vs. Subjective' The greatest track ever.

    I have noticed that I have sort of an objective personal best all-time trance track: Cafe del Mar, and a more subjective one: A.M.R. - Elevation (Fast Distance Remix). Cafe del Mar gives me the universal timeless feeling: this track cannot be improved, the melody is beyond words, euphoric, yet peaceful, the build is exceptional. However, 'Elevation' gives me this sense of deep love, connection and pure happiness, that no other track does in the same order of magnitude. This is 'My' track, it's the one that I let a crush/date/whatever listen to when she asks what kind of music I like, because I feel that listening to it will make one know who I truly am. I only listen to it occasionally, as to not 'spoil' it, it's like chocolate in the second world war: only once in a while do you feel you 'deserve' it - and then you only take nibs from it.

    Do you have this feeling also? Like, - to speak in psychoanalytical terms - there is a favorite track of you Super-ego, one for your Ego and one for the Id? For me, the Id track would be Barthezz - On the Move. I think this approach will sort of fix the ongoing discussions on what is the best trance track. In fact, I just fixed my own split-mind approach with this paradox: that there can be multiple all-time bests at the same time.

    I'm just curious if you feel the same. In fact, I'm not even sure if somebody understands what I mean.
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    Though I'm familiar with all of them, and maybe aside from theme from the rock and sensation theme recognize them as classics, none of them are even in my top20 (maybe massive is)

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    None of them.
    Union Jack - Two Full Moons and a Trout (Caspar Pound Mix) [1994] has always been, and will always be my top choice for the best trance track ever.


    One of the comments summarizes this track well:
    I've listened to a lot of dance music over the years and I have to say that this is no doubt about it the very best I've ever heard. Musically it is truly beautiful and delivers in all the right places, drawing you in with just the piano notes at the start and then the almost spiritual melodic female chanting, then the track builds up and then drops down and again back to the chanting and then at around 10:15 you feel and sense the change coming, almost a darkness drawing in and then the acid sound kicks in before the track absolutely blows you away with its relentless melodic pounding.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredjan View Post
    None of them.
    Union Jack - Two Full Moons and a Trout (Caspar Pound Mix) [1994] has always been, and will always be my top choice for the best trance track ever.
    Boring. This is trance



    Anyways, I like your post Pierre.
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    Where is the music in todays "trance"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daysleeper View Post
    Boring. This is trance
    The first 3 and a half minutes are boring, yeah. After that it becomes pretty epic, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredjan View Post
    None of them.
    Union Jack - Two Full Moons and a Trout (Caspar Pound Mix) [1994] has always been, and will always be my top choice for the best trance track ever.
    [videyoutube;_hy9Ko_xiIw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hy9Ko_xiIw]movie[/URL]

    One of the comments summarizes this track well:


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    You are missing the point point and fredjan.

    Anyways.

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    You did well with that selection - 4 of them are in my top 10 of all time hehe. Il have to think about the question though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre92 View Post
    You are missing the point point and fredjan.

    Anyways.
    Yeah, indeed. Give him some slack guys. Its a fun post
    Where is the music in todays "trance"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daysleeper View Post
    Yeah, indeed. Give him some slack guys. Its a fun post
    Haha. Thanks. Trying to avoid the age-old discussion, then igniting one.

    Everybody of course is free to have his own preference. I'm just trying to have some objectivity, but maybe this is not possible after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre92 View Post
    You are missing the point point and fredjan.
    Anyways.
    I get your point, but you're kinda talking about two different things in the same post. A list of tracks that supposedly includes the greatest trance track ever and the whole "emotional vs. logical" favorite, which is a whole another discussion. I merely commented on the list with my opinion, I don't agree or disagree, but if we're doing a survey my favorite isn't among them and none of them are among my biggest favorites. Also trance is a pretty diverse genre and that list is pretty much just a slice of one sub-genre (and mostly from 99-02 era) What about psytrance/goa, progressive trance, tech trance..

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    Quote Originally Posted by point View Post
    I get your point, but you're kinda talking about two different things in the same post. A list of tracks that supposedly includes the greatest trance track ever and the whole "emotional vs. logical" favorite, which is a whole another discussion. I merely commented on the list with my opinion, I don't agree or disagree, but if we're doing a survey my favorite isn't among them and none of them are among my biggest favorites. Also trance is a pretty diverse genre and that list is pretty much just a slice of one sub-genre (and mostly from 99-02 era) What about psytrance/goa, progressive trance, tech trance..
    I'm really surprised that you do not appreciate the tracks I came up with. I did not expect this. Just forget about it.

    You are right.

    Maybe I should rephrase: Please, provide with your all-time best 'objective'/emotional/guilty pleasure track.

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    I think Chicane - Saltwater is objectively the best Trance track ever made. Reason being is that Trance can capture or envoke many different emotions, but this track finds a way to capture pretty much all of them in one track (without going into the psychedelic realm). It just matches the world 'Trance' perfectly in my opinion. You can play this track to someone who has never heard Trance or may not even like Trance music and I think they will appreciate it. That is the key. It has a sort of universal appeal with a great sense of its own musicality and grandeur. It will still be good and relevant in 100 years, I am almost certain.

    Its number 19 in my top 100 tracks, so I subjectively prefer others but this track feels like an achievement in the genre. Collectively coming close to 20 million plays in youtube. Not many Trance tracks hit that number whilst still being respected by the veterans and snobs of the scene. Cafe Del Mar comes close too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hensmon View Post
    I think Chicane - Saltwater is objectively
    Failed in the first sentence
    Where is the music in todays "trance"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daysleeper View Post
    Failed in the first sentence
    I agree with Hensmon. I do prefer Cafe del Mar over Saltwater, but for the trance-naive bystander Saltwater might have more appeal. I do have this big dream of one day producing a novel that will be filmed and climax with Saltwater. Something like Trainspotting and Born Slippy.

    Daysleeper, Awakening (Corsten remix) or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hensmon View Post
    I think Chicane - Saltwater is objectively the best Trance track ever made. Reason being is that Trance can capture or envoke many different emotions, but this track finds a way to capture pretty much all of them in one track (without going into the psychedelic realm). It just matches the world 'Trance' perfectly in my opinion. You can play this track to someone who has never heard Trance or may not even like Trance music and I think they will appreciate it. That is the key. It has a sort of universal appeal with a great sense of its own musicality and grandeur. It will still be good and relevant in 100 years, I am almost certain.

    Its number 19 in my top 100 tracks, so I subjectively prefer others but this track feels like an achievement in the genre. Collectively coming close to 20 million plays in youtube. Not many Trance tracks hit that number whilst still being respected by the veterans and snobs of the scene. Cafe Del Mar comes close too.
    Can you PM me your top 100, or do you have a link?

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