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    Why do most electronic dance music producers tend to get worse with age?

    Really, not need to deny this fact. Most of them just do not mature musically, and interestingly they cannot top their old works too. Do they run out of ideas? Well, i would count money and fame as a factor but most of trance veterans are not that famous and rich too.

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    Life.

    It's easy to want to change something when you're young, full of energy and blind enthusiasm. Still in college or looking for a job, have all the time in the world. You have more emotionally fulfilling experiences (socializing, traveling etc) than emotionally draining ones (studying). When you get old, it reverses, and it's increased the more you see it is as a chore. You have to take care of your kids, work 9-5 (or all day long on your music), you have to provide for your family, you socialize less, you spend most of your days on autopilot...

    Basically, you have more responsibilities, very little time for yourself. It's tough, balancing life and success in art.

    Plus, it's no secret we all lose the inner child the older we get. Very few people don't.

    Also, there's the truth of people's expectations and how they only increase. Or how, after a number of your works, expect the same and/or even better.

    Lots of factors, really. This is not just present in artists, it's also in scientists. Most achieved their biggest works before they turned 26. It's the time when you think only about yourself and whatever you do affects only you. But when the bills start coming...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gagi View Post
    Life.

    It's easy to want to change something when you're young, full of energy and blind enthusiasm. Still in college or looking for a job, have all the time in the world. You have more emotionally fulfilling experiences (socializing, traveling etc) than emotionally draining ones (studying). When you get old, it reverses, and it's increased the more you see it is as a chore. You have to take care of your kids, work 9-5 (or all day long on your music), you have to provide for your family, you socialize less, you spend most of your days on autopilot...

    Basically, you have more responsibilities, very little time for yourself. It's tough, balancing life and success in art.

    Plus, it's no secret we all lose the inner child the older we get. Very few people don't.

    Also, there's the truth of people's expectations and how they only increase. Or how, after a number of your works, expect the same and/or even better.

    Lots of factors, really. This is not just present in artists, it's also in scientists. Most achieved their biggest works before they turned 26. It's the time when you think only about yourself and whatever you do affects only you. But when the bills start coming...
    Well, I think it's because many artists become a victim of their own success which ultimately leads to their destruction. It's also the fans fault for leeching/asking for the impossible. There is no way these artists that are at the top are happy but most are very good at hiding it. Take it from someone who used to work for one and to me it's okay to say that you are going through a lot but many feel that it's a sign of weakness.
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    I think this stretches to all genres of music? Who in world music has got better over the years and beaten the first songs/albums they made when they were young and fresh and full of original ideas?

    Why does an artist/band make a great hit but then cant make another?

    Il give a glaring example in Trance - Paul van Dyk. SO much better a producer when he was younger - why hasnt he made another 'For An Angel' or 'Another Way'?

    Whereas Ferry Corsten has never lost it. He's still as good as he always was. Could churn out a great track at the drop of a hat you feel - but maybe he doesnt have the urge to like in 1999.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gagi View Post
    Life.

    It's easy to want to change something when you're young, full of energy and blind enthusiasm. Still in college or looking for a job, have all the time in the world. You have more emotionally fulfilling experiences (socializing, traveling etc) than emotionally draining ones (studying). When you get old, it reverses, and it's increased the more you see it is as a chore. You have to take care of your kids, work 9-5 (or all day long on your music), you have to provide for your family, you socialize less, you spend most of your days on autopilot...

    Basically, you have more responsibilities, very little time for yourself. It's tough, balancing life and success in art.

    Plus, it's no secret we all lose the inner child the older we get. Very few people don't.

    Also, there's the truth of people's expectations and how they only increase. Or how, after a number of your works, expect the same and/or even better.

    Lots of factors, really. This is not just present in artists, it's also in scientists. Most achieved their biggest works before they turned 26. It's the time when you think only about yourself and whatever you do affects only you. But when the bills start coming...
    Theres truth in this. Its quite a complex subject but one im intrigued by.

    Theres also the aspect of the media/fans/the world wanting an artist to CHANGE styles to keep up with current trends etc - but then they lose their magic and lose the thing that got where they were in the first place. I admire the producers who stick to what they love,and dont care about outside influences. But,of course theres pressure to keep finding the gigs,tours,fans,money....if you want to continue to be successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper Drive View Post
    Well, I think it's because many artists become a victim of their own success which ultimately leads to their destruction. It's also the fans fault for leeching/asking for the impossible. There is no way these artists that are at the top are happy but most are very good at hiding it. Take it from someone who used to work for one and to me it's okay to say that you are going through a lot but many feel that it's a sign of weakness.
    It's the same with athletes (or anything, really). The closer you are to the top, the more you have to sacrifice - the worst thing being your passion. Unfortunately, success is addictive and you always want more. But it rarely brings you lasting happiness because there's always something else you haven't achieved. I get the stuff about weakness. It's noticeable especially with males, god forbid someone sees you being weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gagi View Post
    It's the same with athletes (or anything, really). The closer you are to the top, the more you have to sacrifice - the worst thing being your passion. Unfortunately, success is addictive and you always want more. But it rarely brings you lasting happiness because there's always something else you haven't achieved. I get the stuff about weakness. It's noticeable especially with males, god forbid someone sees you being weak.
    As a human being, I hope that all these artists find peace someday but if they see as a battleground, they have the wrong idea. I agree that success is addictive and you want to continue to win but I don't see anything good coming out of it. I also think us fans are a little hard on them at times. We are all guilty of it so we are all part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdelayna View Post
    I think this stretches to all genres of music? Who in world music has got better over the years and beaten the first songs/albums they made when they were young and fresh and full of original ideas?

    Why does an artist/band make a great hit but then cant make another?

    Il give a glaring example in Trance - Paul van Dyk. SO much better a producer when he was younger - why hasnt he made another 'For An Angel' or 'Another Way'?

    Whereas Ferry Corsten has never lost it. He's still as good as he always was. Could churn out a great track at the drop of a hat you feel - but maybe he doesnt have the urge to like in 1999.
    We can apply it on all genres but i can understand when a rock band cannot deliver a better album after getting fame, money, girls. Trance and most of electronic music genres are not that niche so it's harder to explain when it happens to these guys too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVision View Post
    We can apply it on all genres but i can understand when a rock band cannot deliver a better album after getting fame, money, girls. Trance and most of electronic music genres are not that niche so it's harder to explain when it happens to these guys too.
    You can thank america for Trance being ruined. Their corporate culture is so toxic that it's spreading everywhere around the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper Drive View Post
    You can thank america for Trance being ruined. Their corporate culture is so toxic that it's spreading everywhere around the globe.
    That maybe true, but let us not forget, we (the rest of the world) are needed to be participants in this culture otherwise it would not work. There are enough people worldwide who agree wholeheartedly with the U.S./like the possibility of getting rich/famous very fast/just play along cause they do not really care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnoud View Post
    That maybe true, but let us not forget, we (the rest of the world) are needed to be participants in this culture otherwise it would not work. There are enough people worldwide who agree wholeheartedly with the U.S./like the possibility of getting rich/famous very fast/just play along cause they do not really care.
    The sad reality is that it's giving results. Though for the short term.Most of these artists get into buying into the fame trap and can't get out anymore. They can't turn back time or can they get out of the system. Many of them have gone days without sleep and when you don't get sleep, and with all that loud music, people resort to taking drugs to cope with the pain and then their personality changes and they turn into psychopaths and sociopaths. When that happens, they loose all human empathy and start taking drugs and hitting them HARD or they take up smoking or start taking alcohol. It's also something you can't stop. It's here to stay unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVision View Post
    We can apply it on all genres but i can understand when a rock band cannot deliver a better album after getting fame, money, girls. Trance and most of electronic music genres are not that niche so it's harder to explain when it happens to these guys too.
    Blind Guardian released arguably their best track (Wheel of Time) in 2010. They've been active since 1984. Their 2015 album Beyond the Red Mirror is ridiculously good. They're probably the exception to the rule, but I don't think you can say the same about any Trance producer - not even Armin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper Drive View Post
    You can thank america for Trance being ruined. Their corporate culture is so toxic that it's spreading everywhere around the globe.
    Yes, God forbid people wanting a better future for their families and themselves.
    Using America as a scapegoat is a bad idea, and frankly it's a poor argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gagi View Post
    Life.

    It's easy to want to change something when you're young, full of energy and blind enthusiasm. Still in college or looking for a job, have all the time in the world. You have more emotionally fulfilling experiences (socializing, traveling etc) than emotionally draining ones (studying). When you get old, it reverses, and it's increased the more you see it is as a chore. You have to take care of your kids, work 9-5 (or all day long on your music), you have to provide for your family, you socialize less, you spend most of your days on autopilot...
    Basically, you have more responsibilities, very little time for yourself. It's tough, balancing life and success in art.
    Bingo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredjan View Post
    Blind Guardian released arguably their best track (Wheel of Time) in 2010. They've been active since 1984. Their 2015 album Beyond the Red Mirror is ridiculously good. They're probably the exception to the rule, but I don't think you can say the same about any Trance producer - not even Armin.


    Yes, God forbid people wanting a better future for their families and themselves.
    Using America as a scapegoat is a bad idea, and frankly it's a poor argument.


    Bingo.
    I'm pretty sure all these djs had everything prior to 2007.They had fans, they were famous but that EDM boom that happened in USA is what led to the down fall of Trance. America ruins everything that goes into contact with it. When you have worked for places like Goldman Sach's you'll find out how America is really like. You also don't need to look far how fucked up the place is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper Drive View Post
    I'm pretty sure all these djs had everything prior to 2007.They had fans, they were famous but that EDM boom that happened in USA is what led to the down fall of Trance. America ruins everything that goes into contact with it. When you have worked for places like Goldman Sach's you'll find out how America is really like. You also don't need to look far how fucked up the place is.
    Have you worked for Goldman Sach's?
    Only a small percentage of people work at Goldman or the other hardcore iBanking/consulting firms. Using them as an example of America as a whole is incorrect.
    There are many negative stereotypes against Americans, and to be fair the last couple of years with the current president haven't helped. It wouldn't be far-fetched to think that Americans are ignorant, xenophobic, or "fucked up" (as you said about America itself). Remember that America has some of the best universities in the world performing cutting-edge research in many fields. Cambridge, Massachusetts has Harvard and MIT! Or go to the West Coast, where they have Stanford, Berkeley, and Caltech. These universities recruit scholars from all around the world.
    So no, I disagree with the ideas that America ruins everything that comes into contact with it, and that it's fucked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredjan View Post
    These universities recruit scholars from all around the world.
    Yes but recruit them also from countries where they millitary complex sells weapons people kill each other with that weapons in that country. And mostly intelligent/smart people flee exactly to these places you named, they flee from countries where they can help these poor countries if they stayed in their home.
    I do not want to give here youtube links but search for: Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - NumbersUSA.com he explain that better.
    To the topic on half i agree with Gagi but the second half is that, most producers have adapted to new trends, those are not necessarily the best or better like some of those in the past.

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