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    People obviously have different taste and a different views on this matter. Dumonde to me is the biggest example of doing the same track over and over again, same arrangement, same kick, same bass, same synths in every track, just a different melody. A lot of people loved that sound, so they just went with it, but artistically they are far from the top in my book. And I wouldn't consider Lange or Matt Darey unique at all, they both basically just did exactly what everyone else was doing at the same time. You could even consider Lange to be a huge bandwagoner, seeing how he has always changed his style to whatever seems to be popular in the trance scene. No doubt he has made some amazing tracks in the past, but I don't think any of them were really unique.

    I would definitely consider Ferry Corsten a pioneer in the scene, but it's not like people recognized his sound when "Punk" or "Right of Way" came out, we just accepted that he now sounds like that. Most people were furious that he had change his sound and style so drastically. In my view he's changed his sound about four times (early 90's stuff, late 90's supersaw, the electro trance era and the modern sound), and during each phase he's pretty much used the same template. Even in the last 5-10 years each of his songs have the same kick, similar percussion and similar synth sounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by point View Post
    Even in the last 5-10 years each of his songs have the same kick, similar percussion and similar synth sounds.
    and imo theres nothing wrong with that - thats their identity as an artist. Would you rather a producer make a totally different sounding track everytime? The ideal way is to have your own sound, but progress it and evolve it throughout the years,but still keep your identity. I agree Dumonde never did that but they were only active for a short amount of time. Lange is weird one as i havnt rated anything he made after around 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by point View Post
    People obviously have different taste and a different views on this matter. Dumonde to me is the biggest example of doing the same track over and over again, same arrangement, same kick, same bass, same synths in every track, just a different melody. A lot of people loved that sound, so they just went with it, but artistically they are far from the top in my book. And I wouldn't consider Lange or Matt Darey unique at all, they both basically just did exactly what everyone else was doing at the same time. You could even consider Lange to be a huge bandwagoner, seeing how he has always changed his style to whatever seems to be popular in the trance scene. No doubt he has made some amazing tracks in the past, but I don't think any of them were really unique.
    BINGO!
    Finally someone said it. Objectively, even some of the big name producers from the Trance heyday were not that good.
    Props to Matt Darey for coming up with Point Zero, but otherwise his productions were largely much like from the conveyor belt that churned out generic trance anthem after generic trance anthem.
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    Another great example how guitar can used in trance (for example intros)
    Does not sounds that great? Just something new.
    Imagine it with mixed synths.
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    Stop compressing them to within an inch of their life. Loading anything into Ableton these days looks like white noise. Also try to have a signature sound, if its indistinguishable from anything else, it's probably going to be instantly forgettable.

    These days I appreciate something more reserved, clean and that has clearly had some attention to detail poured over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medlock View Post
    Stop compressing them to within an inch of their life. Loading anything into Ableton these days looks like white noise. Also try to have a signature sound, if its indistinguishable from anything else, it's probably going to be instantly forgettable.

    These days I appreciate something more reserved, clean and that has clearly had some attention to detail poured over it.
    The big mystery is how the established trance producers havnt figured this out yet. its only been +10 years. why is trance the only genre still sticking to this.
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    I find it incredible how some top producers in this scene explicitly say that newcomers should develop their own sounds, instead of copying what's already there...but then go on to play and sign the exact same cookie-cutter shit.
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    It can't.

    Trance got its peak in 90s. Everything after that is decadency. Even thought there were lots of great tracks after that golden era, as a genre overall, it can't improve be improved...ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devito View Post
    It can't.

    Trance got its peak in 90s. Everything after that is decadency. Even thought there were lots of great tracks after that golden era, as a genre overall, it can't improve be improved...ever.
    By this point it has matured as a genre. There is no innovation and we have no one making "experimental trance" to push the boundaries of the genre.
    I would argue that the last big shift was when everyone decided to create 138+ BPM steroid bangers, which happened more than 5 years ago. We haven't seen any major changes since then.

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    Sub melodies,counter melodies,basslines that have groove,vocal samples that fit and give a track a unique identity...producers cant seem to do it anymore. I agree the scene has stagnated now - hardly any great original Trance productions made. But.... it IS very hard to make one.

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    Another big factor is that labels don't need to take risks anymore. When things were pressed onto vinyl they had to be sure as they could that it would sell, now pretty much anything can get a release. Soundcloud has aided this aswell as some artists move away from signing music at all due to the lack on money in selling digital music. I think I recall Mat Zo saying he was going to put all his music out for free, I haven't checked if that's still the case however

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medlock View Post
    Another big factor is that labels don't need to take risks anymore. When things were pressed onto vinyl they had to be sure as they could that it would sell, now pretty much anything can get a release.
    One would imagine those circumstances push the genre toward innovation, not away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredjan View Post
    One would imagine those circumstances push the genre toward innovation, not away from it.
    You’d think. Maybe the majority just fucking love the trance by numbers that’s been doing the rounds and everyone else is weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medlock View Post
    Another big factor is that labels don't need to take risks anymore. When things were pressed onto vinyl they had to be sure as they could that it would sell, now pretty much anything can get a release. Soundcloud has aided this aswell as some artists move away from signing music at all due to the lack on money in selling digital music. I think I recall Mat Zo saying he was going to put all his music out for free, I haven't checked if that's still the case however
    Well...there was still rubbish released on vinyl aswell hehe! The difference today is that digital labels run at a no-loss.....they can just churn tracks out week after week and make (some) money with very little costs to themselves. They dont really care about the quality.

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    There's no denying the market has been completely saturated. The worst I've encountered was a label that paid off the remixers from the sales on my original and I ended up with nothing. Separate subject I guess but absolutely no risk for the label.

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