Bobby Summa
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We have a thread for this actually, it's one of my favs. Maybe you can post your thoughts and experiences there: How we used to live (serious topic)
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We have a thread for this actually, it's one of my favs. Maybe you can post your thoughts and experiences there: How we used to live (serious topic)
It's not. Otherwise "influencers" would get a lot of free stuff, but for the most part they don't.Given the news today of Apple criticising Elon Musk. What is the significance of Twitter?
I keep thinking with all this attention on Twitter, and the rest of the social media.
How significant a part does this play on most peoples āactualā lives.
How important really is this stuff ?
Yep, I'm pretty sure that excessive use of social media is linked to depression and other mental health disorders. Many people would be better off just not using social media.Obviously for some businesses perhaps itās essential for promotion and marketing. Maybe the same for an artist if they really want success.
Butā¦
Does social media have to be paid that much attention or is it so easy to get sucked in to the less healthy aspects of it, that many wonāt even know that they have.
Would perhaps most people be happier without so much of it?
err, and how is critiquing companies for not wanting to work with him a limitation on (their) free speech precisely?Anyways, the attention on Twitter is happening because it's frankly entertaining watching Elon melt down in real time (and a large chunk of his wealth vanish). Elon desperately wants Twitter to be a bastion of "free speech," but at the same time he is criticizing companies exercising their free speech when they don't want to work with him or advertise on Twitter.
The hypocrisy is hilarious and shows that he's not that smart or the "free speech" supporter he thinks he is.
Strawman, he never called for unrestricted free speech, he called for unbiased free speech. Which is why Ye's twitters account was immidiatly suspended over that. Please stop your (unhealthy) hateboner from copypasting or making up misinformation.Kanye West's antisemitic comments show just how poorly prepared Elon Musk was to head a major social media website. When you call for unrestricted "free speech," one of the first things that pops up right after child p*rn is antisemitism.
...Whilst the The left's definition of unrestricive free speech (and antisemitism) is basically "Its ok when we do it" which is why progressives are all to happy to turn a blind eye towards antisemitism from pundits like Ilhan Omar, and why conservatives like say: Shapiro or Musk are actually consistent in their stance free speech and antisemitism.The "free speech" that most conservatives aim for is not real free speech. In our society you cannot expect to say whatever you want consequence-free. Others can and will stop associating with you for what you say, especially if you are being antisemitic.
He unbanned Ye and Trump. In what world is that considered "unbiased"?Strawman, he never called for unrestricted free speech, he called for unbiased free speech. Which is why Ye's twitters account was immidiatly suspended over that. Please stop your (unhealthy) hateboner from copypasting or making up misinformation.
Ilhan Omar was actually condemned for her anti-semitic comments by Democratic leadership....Whilst the The left's definition of unrestricive free speech (and antisemitism) is basically "Its ok when we do it" which is why progressives are all to happy to turn a blind eye towards antisemitism from pundits like Ilhan Omar, and why conservatives like say: Shapiro or Musk are actually consistent in their stance free speech and antisemitism.
The general conservative viewpoint on free speech is: no incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity/child pornography and threats. This is also (still) Twitters policy.
A fair, unbaised world , (and not one run by extreme ideologues and tribalists who donate and consisted of 99% democrat) Equal monks, equal hoods. If the taliban& antifa get a pass , so should trump & ye.He unbanned Ye and Trump. In what world is that considered "unbiased"?
The article mentions in every other paragraph that she's been condemned by Democratic leadership and is a "headache", but yeah in principle it's odd that her Twitter account is still up and runningA fair, unbaised world , (and not one run by extreme ideologues and tribalists who donate and consisted of 99% democrat) Equal monks, equal hoods. If the taliban& antifa get a pass , so should trump & ye.
Ilhan Omar was hardly condemned for her anti-semitic comments by Democratic leadership, and its not like she stopped doing it, Ilhan Omar: US congresswoman defends 'offensive' Israel remark yet her twitter account is still up there.
Of course, in the modern world Nazism is immediately banned.Meanwhile ye was defacto condemned by having his account (again) suspended.
Twitter did skew left heavily, but unbanning trump, ye, and other ultra conservative/borderline fascist figures is not a victoryThe picture you sketched in your previous post is a false one, demonstrably. Twitter skewed heavily left before Musk took over, whos now, Thank God, equalizing the field again. Thats the very definition of fair and unbiased.
Its not odd at all, she, like everyone else (exception being perhaps alex jones because Musk personally hates his guts, which on rare exception actually Ćs unprincipled of him) got pardonned as part of the leadership transfer.The article mentions in every other paragraph that she's been condemned by Democratic leadership and is a "headache", but yeah in principle it's odd that her Twitter account is still up and running
right. so musk did nothing wrong then, did not promote or endorse "unrestricive" free speech, and bans anyone, friend of foe alike who does not follow the twitter rules concerning what you can and cannot say/post.Of course, in the modern world Nazism is immediately banned.
Well not for the left and their loss of the twitter monopoly no. But if (one of) the or your main concern is whether or not twitter is being fair and unbaised or not...Twitter did skew left heavily, but unbanning trump, ye, and other ultra conservative/borderline fascist figures is not a victory
Why do you insist on platforming nazis and white supremacists?Its not odd at all, she, like everyone else (exception being perhaps alex jones because Musk personally hates his guts, which on rare exception actually Ćs unprincipled of him) got pardonned as part of the leadership transfer.
right. so musk did nothing wrong then, did not promote or endorse "unrestricive" free speech, and bans anyone, friend of foe alike who does not follow the twitter rules concerning what you can and cannot say/post.
Well not for the left and their loss of the twitter monopoly no. But if (one of) the or your main concern is whether or not twitter is being fair and unbaised or not...
then yes, Then them being part of this recent "great twitter reset" is a good thing as it is defacto fair an unbaised.
And anyone (like Ye or Klein) who breaks the rules after that gets what they deserve. Which again, is actually why I think on principled grounds he should have let Jones back on the platform, he can always ban him right after he posts his first mistake there...but its his company
how does:Why do you insist on platforming nazis and white supremacists?
let's say the quiet part out loud: free speech the way you want it (from a classical liberal point of view) invites nazis, white supremacists, and racists into the platform.how does:
- Ilham Omar being pardonned
- Musk for personal reasons (so not principled) not letting Jones on:
- Him banning Ye after he broke the rules with a swastika and me being ok with that ban
Translate in your head to me "insisting" that Nazi's and white supremacists should be platformed exactly?
I've seen a lot of retarded strawmen and red herrings of the years on the internet but this one wins the golden medal...
Yeah it doesnāt surprise me one bit coming from someone whoās already admitted to being a selfprofessed hypocrite Ć”nd tribalist to engage in toddler-tactics like strawmanning an opponents position when they canāt win on equal grounds.let's say the quiet part out loud: free speech the way you want it (from a classical liberal point of view) invites nazis, white supremacists, and racists into the platform.
Knew a guy like that from college who posted an ultra tone-deaf op-ed on the campus newspaper after a racist incident happened. No thank you, I'll continue strawmanning/red herring to counter your shitty point of view.
no, your premise is that the left and right are both equally wrong, which is incorrectYeah it doesnāt surprise me one bit coming from someone whoās already admitted to being a selfprofessed hypocrite Ć”nd tribalist to engage in toddler-tactics like strawmanning an opponents position when they canāt win on equal grounds.
So to reiterate my actual position:
- I think rules, whatever those may be, should be applied fairly and to everyone.
if that ^ has to auto translate to āenabling naziās hurdleā in your mind, (because some rando from your college wrote an oped in your campus newspaper onceā¦? Lolwut)
then I donāt know what to tell you other then: yup, cultish behaviour..(and quite moronic at that)
That is incorrect indeed, and not my premise,no, your premise is that the left and right are both equally wrong, which is incorrect
The left is not the far worse, at least not in the US.That is incorrect indeed, and not my premise,
my premise is the left is by Far the Worse one.
On overall historical body count alone, but also in terms of ideas on morality, practicality regarding society and the human condition etc.
I'll happiliy continue why think the left is worse in the politics thread we have for that: We should stop polluting the public intellectuals thread with thisThe left is not the far worse, at least not in the US.
If our society falls apart because people no longer want to abide by "traditional family values," by religion, by well-defined gender/hierarchical roles, and no longer wsnt to have children, then that society was not worth having at all.
I do, but it rubs me the wrong way that you keep siding with the anti-woke/anti-SJW crowd. Although there are reasons to be frustrated at the woke/SJW crowd, the media you consume in conservative spaces is most likely overblown. Racism in America is very complex - I'm still understanding it myself and should pick up a sociology textbook on that topic, - but if the US were not a racist country, we would have already seen a black female leading character in a fantasy movie. I'm not talking about specific individuals being prejudiced against black people per se, but more of the legal/socioeconomic/financial/urban development structures that prevented someone who looks like Halle Bailey to be a leading actress in a major blockbuster.its not and i never said it was, (speaking of tone-deafness/dishonesty from your end) have you actualy read anything I wrote? or are you just projecting, whilst grinding your teeth, foaming at the mouth from behind your keyboard/screen? because it sure comes across like that lol.
Well, yeah. Just like cartel members are probably Catholic1 ISIS are muslims.
So this is very interesting, because after you made your first comment about Andrew Tate being Muslim and implied that criticism toward him could be considered "islamophobic," I went ahead and looked up a couple articles/reddit threads about his conversion to Islam. It turns out that, in Islamic faith, Muslims pardon those who convert into their faith, so (in theory) Muslims need to give Andrew Tate a free pass for all the awful things that he's done.2 I'm not the one placing ethnic or religious minorities (like the muslim minority in your country) on a pedestal all simply because they're that, thats more you then me out of the two of us. And yes, as being pro-individual/individualty and anti-group think. Ćnd no fan of either Islam or Tate I wholeheartily agree that he can get the full brunt of critique for..whatever.
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3 dunno actually: Tate is a public figure so maybe even more suitable for the Public intellectuals (though I wouldn't call him that by a mile) thread.