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dmgtz96

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I can’t say if it was or wasn’t safer under him but would be very surprised if it was. If I am only being influenced by the media, then yeah. I’m being terrible in my conclusions. But I’m not. It’s some of the things he has said, to who, the way he says it, and much of that can’t be given an angle by media. But it’s also the things he was in court for. And if I’m not mistaken, found guilty of.
If you're white, there is basically no difference in you feeling safe under Trump or Biden.
If you're a minority in the US, you realized that half of the US (especially older white people) are blatantly racist, since a normal non-racist person would never back someone like Trump. You haven't felt "safe" since he campaigned back in 2015, and things haven't really changed since then.
 

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^ shots fired, I don't care if those statements are inflammatory or sow division.
 

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^ shots fired, I don't care if those statements are inflammatory or sow division.
Surely it’s not just white people who vote in the U.S. . There must be some statistic also of the race of people who vote for who. I would have thought there must be many non white people who have voted for Biden, and Trump. Don’t ask me why tho. ( on trumps part). Although I expect trump hasnt been racist on air, to me his attitude and words towards certain people do hint at it. I can’t prove he is or isn’t, just wouldn’t be surprised if he is.
 
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a normal non-racist person would never back someone like Trump
Every black, Latino, Asian or gay person who voted for Trump and would do so again in November is racist and the enemy people!

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Ive said this once and I’ll say it again @dmgtz96, you’re in a cult
 

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Edited this last full comment a lot to clarify so reposting incase response to what I originally said aren’t quite based on my exaction.
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Surely it’s not just white people who vote in the U.S. . There must be some statistic also of the race of people who vote for who. I would have thought there must be many non white people who have voted for Biden, and Trump. Don’t ask me why tho. ( on trumps part). Although I expect trump hasnt been racist on air, to me his attitude and words towards certain people do hint at it. I can’t prove he is or isn’t, just wouldn’t be surprised if he is.
 
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Edited this last full comment a lot to clarify so reposting incase response to what I originally said aren’t quite based on my exaction.
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Surely it’s not just white people who vote in the U.S. . There must be some statistic also of the race of people who vote for who. I would have thought there must be many non white people who have voted for Biden, and Trump. Don’t ask me why tho. ( on trumps part). Although I expect trump hasnt been racist on air, to me his attitude and words towards certain people do hint at it. I can’t prove he is or isn’t, just wouldn’t be surprised if he is.
Cuban Americans and certain other types of Hispanic Americans have voted for Trump. With Cuban Americans, it's generally the older demographics who are easily swayed by rhetoric against "communism" (which does not exist in the US). Younger demographics generally lean liberal.
Black Americans almost overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
Asian Americans generally vote Democrat, though there's a rising far right minority within US Asian American males.
White women voted primarily for Trump. It was... odd.
White men vote primarily for Trump.
 
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Will reply in detail to the jan 6th Reichstag attempt later @SaltAcidFatHeatAcid @dmgtz96 currently on the road/phone so short replies only ;)
Can I just have said my little thing and show myself to the door? I mean, if US voters have become so polarized or disengaged with reality that they'll vote for Trump (often outside their direct interests), what I think doesn't matter. The USA is supposed to be a democratic republic, and it no longer functions in that capacity, and really hasn't since Citizen's United. I just have to reconcile my hope of a thriving informed democracy with the reality that we are headed in to the slow decline to idiocracy. I wonder if Biden will be the first guest on this fall's season of 'Rehabilitation'?

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Every black, Latino, Asian or gay person who voted for Trump and would do so again in November is racist and the enemy people!

🤷‍♂️

Ive said this once and I’ll say it again @dmgtz96, you’re in a cult
Idk how I missed this, but: skinship doesn't mean kinship. Those minorities who would vote for Trump are shooting themselves in the foot and aren't liked by the other minorities. Trump and his MAGA fans will happily get rid of you even if you as a minority are on "their" side.
 

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Can I just have said my little thing and show myself to the door? I mean, if US voters have become so polarized or disengaged with reality that they'll vote for Trump (often outside their direct interests), what I think doesn't matter. The USA is supposed to be a democratic republic, and it no longer functions in that capacity, and really hasn't since Citizen's United. I just have to reconcile my hope of a thriving informed democracy with the reality that we are headed in to the slow decline to idiocracy. I wonder if Biden will be the first guest on this fall's season of 'Rehabilitation'?

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Lmao,

Look, FYI, my hopes are with kennedy in this race. but I don't think he stands a chance. If its any consolation to you, I don't believe the USA is more divided now then it was in the time of Nixon, and presidential candidates are, as I've stated before, not elected based on "popularity" or show. (see: 13 keys to the white house by Lichtman) This ís mostly show.. and you should treat it as such.

i will still post my 2 page essay on why I think the whole leading jan 6th story is a big psy-op, if only to waste @dmgtz96's time in frantically disecting it. :sneaky:
 

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Cuban Americans and certain other types of Hispanic Americans have voted for Trump. With Cuban Americans, it's generally the older demographics who are easily swayed by rhetoric against "communism" (which does not exist in the US). Younger demographics generally lean liberal.
Black Americans almost overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
Asian Americans generally vote Democrat, though there's a rising far right minority within US Asian American males.
White women voted primarily for Trump. It was... odd.
White men vote primarily for Trump.
Just a quicky before i hit the sack and speaking of flat out wrong analyses and easily debunked rethrorik @dmgtz96. The way you “demonstrate” racism here is defacto irrational, biased, highly subjective and frankly far left propaganda on your end.

no. you cannot “measure” racism levels on a demographic per voting behaviour or “feeling safe or not” .

Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity…

And there is no law or system pushed or proposed by either party in the US that is based on race, or un-equalizes US citizens based on race, None of your political parties are racially homogenous. Your rich and elites in power are racially not homogenous..

And to put this, “trump is a racist who only likes white people!" Non-sense to rest once and for all, No alleged minority hating racist would shelter a black woman and family post-tragedy and foot the entire bill. Or pay for a terminally I’ll mothers Mexican-American boy to finish college.


Also: voting preference from any groups says nothing about actual racism levels in the party they avoid or vote for. Most people aren’t politically interested and just vote tribally/ by habit (especially the US) The Dems might also just be better as sweet-talking then the Reps are..

Now you could make the case is that the US is “prejudiced” towards external non-US citizens, (as is any country with a border and citizenry then) fine, but that’s not racism. Like said: the US is a country based on citizenship and individuality...not race or kaste as is the case in India.


Idk how I missed this, but: skinship doesn't mean kinship. Those minorities who would vote for Trump are shooting themselves in the foot and aren't liked by the other minorities. Trump and his MAGA fans will happily get rid of you even if you as a minority are on "their" side.
yes! they're traitors to the Cause! and Uncle Toms! And we hate them!

are you beginning to understand why i think you're in a cult and extremely tribal m8? You behave the way a football hooligan behaves towards someone from the other team. They are your fellow citizens ffs. Like, can you at least attempt to think of them as individuals with agency and just not agreeing with you on the direction of your country?


Will get into my jan 6th reasoning tomorrow if I get around to it, bed time now.
 
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Just a quicky before i hit the sack and speaking of flat out wrong analyses and easily debunked rethrorik @dmgtz96. The way you “demonstrate” racism here is defacto irrational, biased, highly subjective and frankly far left propaganda on your end.

no. you cannot “measure” racism levels on a demographic per voting behaviour or “feeling safe or not” .

Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity…

And there is no law or system pushed or proposed by either party in the US that is based on race, or un-equalizes US citizens based on race, None of your political parties are racially homogenous. Your rich and elites in power are racially not homogenous..

And to put this, “trump is a racist who only likes white people!" Non-sense to rest once and for all, No alleged minority hating racist would shelter a black woman and family post-tragedy and foot the entire bill. Or pay for a terminally I’ll mothers Mexican-American boy to finish college.


Also: voting preference from any groups says nothing about actual racism levels in the party they avoid or vote for. Most people aren’t politically interested and just vote tribally/ by habit (especially the US) The Dems might also just be better as sweet-talking then the Reps are..

Now you could make the case is that the US is “prejudiced” towards external non-US citizens, (as is any country with a border and citizenry then) fine, but that’s not racism. Like said: the US is a country based on citizenship and individuality...not race or kaste as is the case in India.



yes! they're traitors to the Cause! and Uncle Toms! And we hate them!

are you beginning to understand why i think you're in a cult and extremely tribal m8? You behave the way a football hooligan behaves towards someone from the other team. They are your fellow citizens ffs. Like, can you at least attempt to think of them as individuals with agency and just not agreeing with you on the direction of your country?


Will get into my jan 6th reasoning tomorrow if I get around to it, bed time now.
If there's anything I like about our discussions, it's that you're pretty blunt about your POV (as I am)
 
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❤️ same to you m8. And though you might not think this a compliment: you’d make a hell of a Dutchman 😉
Ahhh. Beautiful . ( I agree , and that’s from half a Dutchman) I’m half Brit half Dutch and sometimes like to kick my fellow male brits in the Ass by talking about things most male brits hate talking about! FeELinGs & EmOtioNs. ( not that that’s just my Dutch half but they r deffo more open) TBH Il kick anyone’s Ass on this subject untill they think im wetter than a lake of feathers.
 
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If there's anything I like about our discussions, it's that you're pretty blunt about your POV (as I am)
Just a quicky before i hit the sack and speaking of flat out wrong analyses and easily debunked rethrorik @dmgtz96. The way you “demonstrate” racism here is defacto irrational, biased, highly subjective and frankly far left propaganda on your end.

no. you cannot “measure” racism levels on a demographic per voting behaviour or “feeling safe or not” .

Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity…

And there is no law or system pushed or proposed by either party in the US that is based on race, or un-equalizes US citizens based on race, None of your political parties are racially homogenous. Your rich and elites in power are racially not homogenous..

And to put this, “trump is a racist who only likes white people!" Non-sense to rest once and for all, No alleged minority hating racist would shelter a black woman and family post-tragedy and foot the entire bill. Or pay for a terminally I’ll mothers Mexican-American boy to finish college.


Also: voting preference from any groups says nothing about actual racism levels in the party they avoid or vote for. Most people aren’t politically interested and just vote tribally/ by habit (especially the US) The Dems might also just be better as sweet-talking then the Reps are..

Now you could make the case is that the US is “prejudiced” towards external non-US citizens, (as is any country with a border and citizenry then) fine, but that’s not racism. Like said: the US is a country based on citizenship and individuality...not race or kaste as is the case in India.



yes! they're traitors to the Cause! and Uncle Toms! And we hate them!

are you beginning to understand why i think you're in a cult and extremely tribal m8? You behave the way a football hooligan behaves towards someone from the other team. They are your fellow citizens ffs. Like, can you at least attempt to think of them as individuals with agency and just not agreeing with you on the direction of your country?


Will get into my jan 6th reasoning tomorrow if I get around to it, bed time now.

“”, No alleged minority hating racist would shelter a black woman and family post-tragedy and foot the entire bill. Or pay for a terminally I’ll mothers Mexican-American boy to finish college. - “”
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I didn’t know this. Cool, that’s nice. Provides a little hope for Trump.

Your media agenda theory might be true here
 

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So: Back home and seen as Daddy Rispin has vacation, this is going to be one of those good o’ jetflag monologue essays from 2 pages long :geek:… So strap in tight and loosen your poop-exists, because I’m going in unlubed. I've been annoyed by how jan 6th has been portrait every since it happened (both by the reps and the dems) and seen as it was brought up I thought this made for a nice Trancefix bedroom-politics shit article.

After this pedantic “explanation” on my jan 6th position, I’m going to first and foremost post some memes because my god some are just beautiful, and I think we’re all over the shock now a bit, and may or may not respond to anyone dissecting this with a massive dissection of my own just to annoy @Hensmon and @Archon Ready? K. Here we go

So. First of all, disavow Jan 6th,

The following view of mine/ explanation has nothing to do with me supporting rioting behavior or acts of vandalism and violence, just to get that out of the way. This is simply how I see Jan 6th as a historic event, and why I think it has being blow up out of proportions for political gain by blue US media, who I think are wielding a massive double standard. (not saying Red doesn’t also by the way, but where talking about this now so..)

And it basically boils down to three things (and by the way before you go @dmgtz96, No, I didn’t get this from some right wing propaganda site, I don’t read those, These are my thoughts and mine alone based on my realpolitik view of the world and on the events and what happened before that.)

1 (deliberate) mislabeling,

A Protest is basically (loudly) saying you’re or yours against something. A Riot is (mob) violence, often against other people’s (private) property. A Rebellion is an uprising against the sitting government. An Insurrection is an armed rebellion against said sitting government. And a Revolt is an insurrection to replace the government.

The Capitol was not stormed by 2500 AR-15 and bazooka wielding militants who knew what they were doing. The capital was stormed (and in some cases willingly opened) with 0 strategy by an IRL YouTube Comments section of 70IQ morons, who were terrified where their country was going related to concerns about mail-in ballot voting, 700,000 votes from arizona stolen, "dominion machines" what have you, not going to go into that right now, point is they where worried.

And when they finally got there en-mass… didn’t take hostages, which they could have, didn’t shoot the police or torch the place down.. had chats with local security, “prayed” (no I’m not making that up) brought their beeping grandmothers in some cases…and for the most part stayed between the red lines shouting a bit and taking selfies.

Were where all the Gatlin machine guns, ghost rifles, handgrenates AR 15ns and what have you that I’ve seen being decried in this thread several times now?

Most if not all people attending the protest carrying had been thoroughly searched/passed through the detectors in the morning and either chose to stayed behind or leave their weapons behind.(some insurrectionist mentality there!) All in all there where two pipe bombs found, which nobody still knows how long they lay there or by whom it was planted. Could have been anyone given the turbulent year.. And a truck with half wo2 in it by an Alabaman 71 year cowboy pensioner, who never even set foot in the capitol. I actually came across an opinion piece from the WSJ of all newspapers you didn’t expect to find this, basically saying the same thing. https://www.wsj.com/articles/stop-c...nsurgency-protest-first-amendment-11641417543

The counter argument to this is something in the range of “yes but a MAGA baseball bat or utility knife is a weapon too and some maybe had Glocks!” to which I’m not even going respond.. at best this was a riot with a rebellion tint and given the context I will later mention.. not that out of USA character.


2 organization (or lack thereof)

If the generals or key players in your so called insurrection keep ad nauseam reminding your “militia”, aside from the usual rhetoric to, and I quote:

- respect the law
- be peaceful and patriotic
- do not fight the police (that one was from beeping Alex Jones of all people!)
- No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order

Then, as someone who has personal field experience in “toppling the government/police force” (though admittedly in controlled exercises only), You’re doing it wrong.

An insurrection, especially a planned one, is all-in poker. You do not before the act rail your troops up with constant reminders of restrained behavior towards the local law enforcement.

3 Context/precedents set and consistency.

2020 was a year with civil unrest galore in the US (blm, antifa the Kavanaugh appointment protests etc.), combined resulted in around 1 till 2 billion in arson, looting and property damage, multible Us government buildings, monuments churches etc. stormed or burned down, aswell as 25 dead and countless lives destroyed. Yet pull up any NYT,WSJ or other journal and they’ll tell you with a straight face that “it was mostly peacefull”

The logic?

Well… if you count up all the events and see which category (peaceful, v riot, v arson, v violence etc.) is most represented, then yes, most of it was defacto peaceful. 🤷‍♀️ which yeah...if you follow that train of statistical thought...It was.

Ok then. But If that’s ^ the bloody rule?, (and we’re not going to be a bunch of absolute hypocrites here mind you..)

Then it isn’t in the slightest bit outrageous or an act of mischaracterizing Jan 6th as being similar in the end sum. Sure: there was 2.7 million in estimated damage, many injured, one shot dead, multible dead in 36 hours (though those include natural, drug overdose and/or heart attack) and 174 officers wounded. But given ALL the events that day and actions combined and divided by their sum, both in time and amount and seeing which category was most represented. It was defacto, mostly peacefull, and mostly tourism when the capital was breached. 🤷‍♀️


The tone/precedents in what was/is acceptable concerning protest against the government/ riots had been set.. You cannot have it both ways, and one rule for me one rule for thee. Equal monks, Equal hoods.

yes, The Maga crowd scared the absolute shit out of everyone and the whole world, and when people are scared (both red and blue) they do and say/claim stupid things…not gonna deny that.…which may or may not have been the intent even, dunno. But if If this was supposed to be an insurrection/revolt? then I’m a frogs uncle.
 

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“”, No alleged minority hating racist would shelter a black woman and family post-tragedy and foot the entire bill. Or pay for a terminally I’ll mothers Mexican-American boy to finish college. - “”
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I didn’t know this. Cool, that’s nice. Provides a little hope for Trump.

Your media agenda theory might be true here
I looked up those claims, since I was also curious about them. They are... mixed truth. Both of them were for beauty contestants (which Trump's org manages). The "Mexican-American boy" is technically true, but also misleading. It sounds like Trump personally paid for the boy's education, which isn't exactly what happened. It was more like Trump's organization. It's not known if Trump himself provided the funds that were then allocated to this specific boy, or if he just gave his foundation some amount, and this boy was one of the lucky to receive funds.
 
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