Shit. You're right. We don't have any true evidence that he is.
... however, there are enough credible allegations to suspect strongly that he is. At least, he wouldn't be the kind of person I'd want my kids to be around (if I had kids)
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... however, there are enough credible allegations to suspect strongly that he is. At least, he wouldn't be the kind of person I'd want my kids to be around (if I had kids)
Either way. This kinda sheds some light on the feelings of liberals, including myself
I don't necessarily want Trump to be killed, but I do think the world would be a better place without him in it. I won't particularly care if some nutjob kills him.
I don't necessarily want Trump to be killed, but I do think the world would be a better place without him in it. I won't particularly care if some nutjob kills him.
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All these years @dmgtz96…all the discussions we had..
And you still don’t get I’m always right.
I think that, even in the case of credible allegations, the Dems would be on that like bees to a honey pot and milk it till the pram shrivles. Especially during election time.
Then again, he does like young beautiful women so.. who knows.
Tbf, dems keep claiming that Trump is "all over" the Epstein files. There was a post on social media about AP reporting on those allegations, but AP themselves denied it (so it was misinformation)All these years @dmgtz96…all the discussions we had..
And you still don’t get I’m always right.
I think that, even in the case of credible allegations, the Dems would be on that like bees to a honey pot and milk it till the pram shrivles. Especially during election time.
Then again, he does like young beautiful women so.. who knows.
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Fair point.
I will say this about both camps though, on a more positive note.
both the Biden and Trump camp handled this very amicably in my estimation.
Trump, his wife/team in unilaterally calling for calm, Unity and not placing the blame on anything other but the individual.
Biden in harshly condemning the violence and giving Trump a personal phonecall for support.
it shows that both men, despite the climate, still have an ounch of decency, competence and humanity in them, regardless of who will be Potus in the end
I would totally drink a cervezaOh come on..
you would at the very least drink to it
Yeah, objectively, it's really bad that we've gotten to the point a presidential candidate was almost assassinated. That hasn't happened here in a while.Fair point.
I will say this about both camps though, on a more positive note.
both the Biden and Trump camp handled this very amicably in my estimation.
Trump, his wife/team in unilaterally calling for calm, Unity and not placing the blame on anything other but the individual.
Biden in harshly condemning the violence and giving Trump a personal phonecall for support.
it shows that both men, despite the climate, still have an ounch of decency, competence and humanity in them, regardless of who will be Potus in the end
Bobby Summa
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Il be honest. It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump was a pedophile. But if there were a hint of reliable sources then we would have heard much more about it in the UK. The UK has a fascination with this subject since many 80s icons were proved to be pedophiles. Jimi Savile etc.
I have at times been incredibly emotional about the assassination attempt. I have cried. This is because I can’t get over the fact that someone so plainly dangerous, immoral, disrespectful to many, someone who has done what Trump has done, and just such an ignorant unloving individual, can still have a chance to be President of one of if not the most influential country in the world in terms of WARS. And I’m NOT saying USA made a mistake in regarding wars in the past. But I know that with Donald Trump in charge ‘now’. If that happens. The whole world could be at war with itself a hundred times more than it is now ( it’s incredibly bad already) .
The man just - lies, lies, lies, - forgets the care he should employ into his words and actions. Then, (and the worst thing) doesn’t learn a thing from bad situations such as his assassination attempt. I predict this asssasination attempt won’t ’wake him up’ his cloak of ignorance ‘ is thicker than half the width of the universe if you ask me. ( almost infinite). It just worries me too that so many can’t see his bad character and as such will vote for him. Peoples lack of using their personal intelligence and love (love is so not to be ignored, but often is) are what’s responsible here. Another word is laziness. People I guess in general haven’t suffered enough on an individual basis to learn anything useful. They might if Trump gets in. But itl probably too late. Jetflag’s 13 key knowledge gives me hope he won’t, but I’m not surprised often these days when the ‘actual’ unthinkable does happen. As it often does.
Myself, I had hoped the assassination attempt was by a organised group, motivated by my highlighted reasons above about Donald Trump, but, being dealt with in a terrible and incredibly harsh and incorrect way. Ie- shooting him. but it seems the assassination was for different reasons.
When will people understand that Love, followed by intelligence, are the ‘only’ things we need to use for positive results.
And worryingly, why do people find doing that, so hard.
I have at times been incredibly emotional about the assassination attempt. I have cried. This is because I can’t get over the fact that someone so plainly dangerous, immoral, disrespectful to many, someone who has done what Trump has done, and just such an ignorant unloving individual, can still have a chance to be President of one of if not the most influential country in the world in terms of WARS. And I’m NOT saying USA made a mistake in regarding wars in the past. But I know that with Donald Trump in charge ‘now’. If that happens. The whole world could be at war with itself a hundred times more than it is now ( it’s incredibly bad already) .
The man just - lies, lies, lies, - forgets the care he should employ into his words and actions. Then, (and the worst thing) doesn’t learn a thing from bad situations such as his assassination attempt. I predict this asssasination attempt won’t ’wake him up’ his cloak of ignorance ‘ is thicker than half the width of the universe if you ask me. ( almost infinite). It just worries me too that so many can’t see his bad character and as such will vote for him. Peoples lack of using their personal intelligence and love (love is so not to be ignored, but often is) are what’s responsible here. Another word is laziness. People I guess in general haven’t suffered enough on an individual basis to learn anything useful. They might if Trump gets in. But itl probably too late. Jetflag’s 13 key knowledge gives me hope he won’t, but I’m not surprised often these days when the ‘actual’ unthinkable does happen. As it often does.
Myself, I had hoped the assassination attempt was by a organised group, motivated by my highlighted reasons above about Donald Trump, but, being dealt with in a terrible and incredibly harsh and incorrect way. Ie- shooting him. but it seems the assassination was for different reasons.
When will people understand that Love, followed by intelligence, are the ‘only’ things we need to use for positive results.
And worryingly, why do people find doing that, so hard.
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So you cried because the murder attempt wasn’t successful then ? 
It continues to amaze me is how far people can be influenced by media and the innuendo therein into so deeply learning to HATE a threat to “their” system.
“He’s a Nazi! He’s a pedophile! He’ll start the 3e world WAR! He always lies! He’s Satan Himself!!!!”
..but we must remember to love
actually and factually:
things, in terms of world peace, where a hell of a lot better under Trump. Average quality of life was better under Trump, trump is demonstrably not a fascist (or irl satan), the pedo allegations are pure old-wife gossip, and name me one politician who doesnt lie or or obfuscates truth for political gain.
Trump as a person is a buffoon and at times a bully, particularly towards his enemies. And as a president he’s a 6 on a good day…That’s it, and no more then That
Keep a level head and snap out of the propaganda @Bobby Summa
it’s narratives like that that create the climate in which presidential candidates get shot.
It continues to amaze me is how far people can be influenced by media and the innuendo therein into so deeply learning to HATE a threat to “their” system.
“He’s a Nazi! He’s a pedophile! He’ll start the 3e world WAR! He always lies! He’s Satan Himself!!!!”
..but we must remember to love
actually and factually:
things, in terms of world peace, where a hell of a lot better under Trump. Average quality of life was better under Trump, trump is demonstrably not a fascist (or irl satan), the pedo allegations are pure old-wife gossip, and name me one politician who doesnt lie or or obfuscates truth for political gain.
Trump as a person is a buffoon and at times a bully, particularly towards his enemies. And as a president he’s a 6 on a good day…That’s it, and no more then That
Keep a level head and snap out of the propaganda @Bobby Summa
it’s narratives like that that create the climate in which presidential candidates get shot.
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It's all for the masses. I have no doubt that both have very much strong egos, and are very ambitious. They wouldn't want the other one to get shot - of course - but their end goal is to get elected, and they will do what they can, within their means, to ensure that. And that includes borderline insulting each other in normal times to appear authoritative, and also showing worry and shouting "unity" to appear compassionate and uniting.
Exactly. But I don't have high hopes that the politicians, their campaign execs, and the masses will learn anything from this.
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Yeah I agree.. I still think that both parties could have responded far more Machiavellian.
Biden could have gone full anti-republican based on the shooters docs, and claim Trump brought it on himself,
Trump could have openly called for (armed) insurrection against the powers that tried to get him killed and failed, creating massive social unrest in the US, which would flip another White House key in his favour.
neither of them did and well…kudos to both of them for that, even though they’re arguably the worst candidates in US history going by the popularity/approval polls
credit where credits due
Trump doesn't deserve "love." As I mentioned before: if he dropped dead, or were killed, I wouldn't really care. The Republicans can put forward a different candidate.So you cried because the murder attempt wasn’t successful then ?
It continues to amaze me is how far people can be influenced by media and the innuendo therein into so deeply learning to HATE a threat to “their” system.
“He’s a Nazi! He’s a pedophile! He’ll start the 3e world WAR! He always lies! He’s Satan Himself!!!!”
..but we must remember to love
actually and factually:
things, in terms of world peace, where a hell of a lot better under Trump. Average quality of life was better under Trump, trump is demonstrably not a fascist (or irl satan), the pedo allegations are pure old-wife gossip, and name me one politician who doesnt lie or or obfuscates truth for political gain.
Trump as a person is a buffoon and at times a bully, particularly towards his enemies. And as a president he’s a 6 on a good day…That’s it, and no more then That
Keep a level head and snap out of the propaganda @Bobby Summa
it’s narratives like that that create the climate in which presidential candidates get shot.
Also, quick reminder that Trump is the one who continuously pushed for violent rhetoric, who caused the Jan 6th insurrection, and so on.
Edit: project 2025 should be enough to scare anyone. When you vote for a president, you don't just vote for them. You're also voting for everyone else that they bring in. And, voting for Trump means people like the Heritage Foundation leader will be in positions of power. People like Josh Hawley, who want to turn the US into a Christian nation.
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He also doesn't deserve "hate" and wierd ass conspiracy theories that are being pushed on him. he's a human being, father, husband and patriot, (goes for Biden aswell by the way) and the fact that you can't recognize any of those things, or any of those things as virtuous in case of Trump, is a testament to how incredibly polarized and tribalistic your country has become under its current propagandized media climate. And thats something that should worry you. Because guess what? The other side thinks the same of you and you party. So the next bullet might very well be for you, or your preferred presidential candidate, if you lot keep this up.
Also: quick reminder that:
- Trump has disavowed project 2025 (whatever that might be),
- has not been convicted for "violent rethoric"
- and that Januari 6th was nothing more then aggressive tourism in a public, and publicly funded building, comparable to that which we saw of a US courthouse during the floyd protests. And not the "9/11 of our times! "Pearl Harbour of 2021!" or my personal favorite, speaking of religious fundamentalism: "Desecration of the Holy Temple of Democracy!" that the democrats desperatly try to push.
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I avoid this thread like like the actual Plague but this one made me lol. Trump, just a loyal husband and patriot, watching and cheering on aggressive tourism. Sigh. What times we are in.
Bobby Summa
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Can’t read everything as experiencing brain fog today. No I cried because of the state of a world that lets a man like trump possibly become president and the concerning future I almost guarantee it would have. And the fact that if people feel it strong enough to do an attempt at his life, that ‘hell’ knows’ what’s to follow. My emotion was from the sadness or fear of what might be or is kind of here now. , the situation. The world is rather an important thing to blow up. If he is stupid to a country with big nuclear capability, that I think could lead to nuclear attacks and lots of death because of that. I mean, yeah maybe it won’t but it’s ( to me) a possibility . I’ve heard others fear this too.people who are mainly ‘only’ practical and logical thinking folk who aren’t invested in the things I am, so that’s another reason to fear. It’s not actually so much fear. It doesn’t grip me at all. It’s just a sadness I sometimes briefly feel.So you cried because the murder attempt wasn’t successful then ?
It continues to amaze me is how far people can be influenced by media and the innuendo therein into so deeply learning to HATE a threat to “their” system.
“He’s a Nazi! He’s a pedophile! He’ll start the 3e world WAR! He always lies! He’s Satan Himself!!!!”
..but we must remember to love
actually and factually:
things, in terms of world peace, where a hell of a lot better under Trump. Average quality of life was better under Trump, trump is demonstrably not a fascist (or irl satan), the pedo allegations are pure old-wife gossip, and name me one politician who doesnt lie or or obfuscates truth for political gain.
Trump as a person is a buffoon and at times a bully, particularly towards his enemies. And as a president he’s a 6 on a good day…That’s it, and no more then That
Keep a level head and snap out of the propaganda @Bobby Summa
it’s narratives like that that create the climate in which presidential candidates get shot.
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Yeah, jetflag's assessment of Jan 6th is straight up right wing propaganda. Nobody with a rational/unbiased perspective believes that.
Sorry for the call out @Jetflag, but what you said is flat out wrong and easily debunked.
Bobby Summa
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Ok I’ve read everything what you said now. Where you said. ‘it’s narratives like that that create the climate in which presidential candidates get shot.’ - I agree. But no one on this thread is like that so felt safe to put it here. In absulutely no way would I put that on twitter x or anywhere like that. I do understand how stupid some people are.So you cried because the murder attempt wasn’t successful then ?
It continues to amaze me is how far people can be influenced by media and the innuendo therein into so deeply learning to HATE a threat to “their” system.
“He’s a Nazi! He’s a pedophile! He’ll start the 3e world WAR! He always lies! He’s Satan Himself!!!!”
..but we must remember to love
actually and factually:
things, in terms of world peace, where a hell of a lot better under Trump. Average quality of life was better under Trump, trump is demonstrably not a fascist (or irl satan), the pedo allegations are pure old-wife gossip, and name me one politician who doesnt lie or or obfuscates truth for political gain.
Trump as a person is a buffoon and at times a bully, particularly towards his enemies. And as a president he’s a 6 on a good day…That’s it, and no more then That
Keep a level head and snap out of the propaganda @Bobby Summa
it’s narratives like that that create the climate in which presidential candidates get shot.
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It comes down to the electoral system (rather than popular vote) used for US elections. With the electoral system, a single person's vote in, say, rural Montana has MUCH more weight than a single person's vote in Los Angeles or NYC.
Polling places in big (liberal) cities close all the time, so people who are liberal have a more difficult time casting their vote. When mail-in ballots are allowed, the right cry that elections are being rigged. In fact, that is exactly what happened during the last election.
All of our states are gerrymandered to hell, which causes overrepresentation of regressive conservative politicians (who are only accountable to their corporate donors) and underrepresentation of real people's interests.
The right wing do everything they can to limit people's votes. They want to raise the voting age and make it as difficult as possible to cast your vote.
If we had fair elections, with the winner determined by popular vote rather than electoral vote, and ample opportunities to cast your vote, Republicans would never win. They know this, which is why they try to limit voting as much as they can.
Bobby Summa
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I can’t say if it was or wasn’t safer under him (factually) but would be very surprised if it was. If I am only being influenced by the media, then yeah. I’m being terrible in my conclusions. But I’m not. It’s some of the things he has said, to who, the way he says it, and much of that can’t be given an angle by media. But it’s also the things he was in court for. And if I’m not mistaken, found guilty of. And just his fraud attitude towards certain things.So you cried because the murder attempt wasn’t successful then ?
It continues to amaze me is how far people can be influenced by media and the innuendo therein into so deeply learning to HATE a threat to “their” system.
“He’s a Nazi! He’s a pedophile! He’ll start the 3e world WAR! He always lies! He’s Satan Himself!!!!”
..but we must remember to love
actually and factually:
things, in terms of world peace, where a hell of a lot better under Trump. Average quality of life was better under Trump, trump is demonstrably not a fascist (or irl satan), the pedo allegations are pure old-wife gossip, and name me one politician who doesnt lie or or obfuscates truth for political gain.
Trump as a person is a buffoon and at times a bully, particularly towards his enemies. And as a president he’s a 6 on a good day…That’s it, and no more then That
Keep a level head and snap out of the propaganda @Bobby Summa
it’s narratives like that that create the climate in which presidential candidates get shot.