UFOs and Aliens

[Jetflag]

What evidence would you personally hope to see?

The actual classified data

And not the ad nauseum “testimonies” or vague grainy black&white pics that so far has been overwhelmingly rejected as plausible extraterrestrial by the scientific community at large as either to vague or explained away as mundane.

what will at the very minimum be acceptable for me are razorsharp detailed 4K recordings from multiple independent simultaneous sources (planes, satellites, ground cams etc) combined with verifiable LiDAR and radar data that isn’t “well this could be a thunderstorm” levels vague, peer reviewed by multiple, preferably international scientific institutions/ scientists who all, generally, draw the same independent conclusions that this cannot be anything else then Alien life.

so while it is true that any sole piece of footage/data can be faked, expert can be mistaken or institution be scheming.. it is the combined Body of Evidence on a single or multiple event (and the quality thereof including credible expert interpretation/validation).. that will be the deciding factor in determining if this is actually true…or something UFO fanatics

dare I say it..

“want to believe”

and who will occasionally bemoan that the bar for their belief is set higher then say..what the weatherman predicts

But extraterrestri..sorry extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

 

[Hensmon]

They have the multiple data sources you describe. White House National Security Advisor talks about this directly in this interview

"we have radar imagery, thermals, different types of infrared sensors, you can't deny this stuff. This is real hard data showing objects doing things that cannot be explained"

 

[Jetflag]

They have the multiple data sources you describe. White House National Security Advisor talks about this directly in this interview

"we have radar imagery, thermals, different types of infrared sensors, you can't deny this stuff. This is real hard data showing objects doing things that cannot be explained"

2 things;

1: are they all from the same event?

2: if they have it:

FUCKING SHOW IT ALREADY THEN.

how many time do we need to keep hearing "yes we really really really really have this bulief us!" and then either nothing or " well no sorry, thats classified ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "

out with that shit, and per fedex linea recta to every credible scientific institutions/ scientist on the planet while they're at it

 

[Hensmon]

Today the UAPDF and House Committee on Oversight and Accountability is hosting a congressional hearing titled “Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation.”

Participants:
Tim Gallidut - Navy Rear Admiral
Dr. Avi Leob - Head of Astrophysics Harvard
Dr. Eric Davis - PHD Astrophysics
Mike Gold - NASA (on their study UAP study team)
Kirk McConnell - Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees
Chris Mellon - Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez - PHD Chemical Engineering
Luis Elizondo - Former Director of Pentagons Arial Threat Identification Program

Just posting this as reminder that the some of the worlds brightest minds in physics, as well the US's highest members of intelligence, all believe UAP represent a non-human intelligence and actively work towards bringing the discussion to the public sphere.

Part of the reason I have such conviction on what UAP are is because I trust these people and the many others like them. No reason has been shown why we should think them liars. But most importantly, the counter-argument thats been offered, that they are all involved in a multi-year conspiracy goaled on convincing the world of a false alien visitation, is just (imo) completely ridiculous, irrational and also has no supporting evidence. That's not compelling at all.

 

[Jetflag]

..then surely they can present us with credible evidence that the rest of the scientific world can confirm no?

 

[Bobby Summa]

Today the UAPDF and House Committee on Oversight and Accountability is hosting a congressional hearing titled “Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation.”

Participants:
Tim Gallidut - Navy Rear Admiral
Dr. Avi Leob - Head of Astrophysics Harvard
Dr. Eric Davis - PHD Astrophysics
Mike Gold - NASA (on their study UAP study team)
Kirk McConnell - Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees
Chris Mellon - Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez - PHD Chemical Engineering
Luis Elizondo - Former Director of Pentagons Arial Threat Identification Program

Just posting this as reminder that the some of the worlds brightest minds in physics, as well the US's highest members of intelligence, all believe UAP represent a non-human intelligence and actively work towards bringing the discussion to the public sphere.

Part of the reason I have such conviction on what UAP are is because I trust these people and the many others like them. No reason has been shown why we should think them liars. But most importantly, the counter-argument thats been offered, that they are all involved in a multi-year conspiracy goaled on convincing the world of a false alien visitation, is just (imo) completely ridiculous, irrational and also has no supporting evidence. That's not compelling at all.

I really hope they are right dude. My friend has a large telescope and has been videoing at night what it sees. Not as detailed as some UAP videos but dancing moving balls of light in the sky that look rather amazing. Will try and list soon, tried once but video format wasn’t compatible.

This world sure needs an injection of some kind to give a sense of educational wonder about the physics of different dimensional possibilities, so I do ‘hope’ one day scientists find and reveal relatively indisputable evidence of things we often cannot yet fathom.

 

[TwinSilo]

Dr. Beatriz Villarroel from Stockholm University and her team has published a preprint a few days agoclaiming to have detected the existence of satellite-like objects aligned across a narrow band, that may have been around well before humans ever sent their first satellites into orbit.

The preprint can be found here.

The study was done using the First Palomar Sky Survey data from 1949-1958. Several bright, yet brief flashes were detected in grid-like patterns that correspond to reflections from objects in orbit that by all means shouldn’t have been there. These flashes also line up with major UAP events in Earth’s history, including the Washington D.C. incident of 1952 and the 1954 European flap (specifically across France and Italy).

Suspiciously enough, these findings could have been further corroborated with Harvard telescope data (from 1953-1968) had it not been for the “Menzel Gap” in which Dr. Donald H Menzel, then director, abruptly shut down the observatory plate program and directly ordered the destruction of hundreds of thousands of plates. This lead to a full decade plus gap of information. Wikipedia to this day claims it was for “budget cuts”.

 

[Hensmon]

Thats a cool find. I had a read of that paper and say the grid patterns appeared within days of the famous Washington DC incident. This stuff is never gonna be definitive, but at the same time, is there anything in nature (space nature) that can cause something like this?

 

[Kate_grey]

I am very interested to hear what people think about the news that aliens may be coming in November.

 

[Katadunkass]

What, they have a hotline to the Aliens? Using DoorDash?

 

[Jetflag]

I am very interested to hear what people think about the news that aliens may be coming in November.

i'm also very interrested in what you favorite trance artist is?

 

[LostLegend]

i'm also very interrested in what you favorite trance artist is?

 

[TwinSilo]

The release date has finally been announced for the one of the most anticipated UAP documentaries to date - November 21st



Is this the first ever "conspiracy" documentary in which the ones making the conspiracy are people working inside the government? It would be like a 9/11 documentary being put together by not just the Bush administration, but the Obama one too. Unheard of.

 

[Jetflag]

I shall await the 21th of November with great anticipation, a small modicum of hope and high levels of: “this wil be dissapointing again”- expectation.

 

[Nerio]

Steven Greer, if you think it's normal to release so many films about aliens/alien technologies without providing any evidence to prove anything, then you're probably living in a bubble.
(2025) Battle for Disclosure
(2023) The Lost Century: And How to Reclaim It
(2020) Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind
(2017) Unacknowledged
(2013) Sirius
In all these films, roughly 80% of the time is spent talking about what happened in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. There is little new information and certainly no evidence.
Yes, it was interesting at the beginning of 2000´s and until 2010-2014, when the internet was not so widespread among people and there was not enough information.
So many "documents" about this phenomenon, and I see no proof Thrive 1,2 Jose Escamilla - UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied (2006), Moon Rising, Above Top Secret: The Technology Behind Disclosure, Countdown to Disclosure: The Secret Technology Behind the Space Force

From this, it seems to me as if they want to produce such "documents" in order to make money from them.

 

[Jetflag]

I shall await the 21th of November with great anticipation, a small modicum of hope and high levels of: “this wil be dissapointing again”- expectation.

Yup..

oh well...

on to the next "b1g RevUl4tion"

 

[Hensmon]

I think you miss the high level message of what's being communicated, Jetters. You want the Government (and these documentaries) to show us the definitive proof (craft, bodies), but they are saying they in the same situation as the rest of us, that we've been lied to. The Secretary of State is telling us even he is being denied access. They're trying to break into this, in part through public awareness.

Government is not a single entity, Grusch spoke to that when he testified to congress in 22. He told them all they have no idea what's going on, and that private aerospace and portions of the intelligence community are operating illegally without their oversight. It's a cover up.
And that's Shellenberger's view too, and he presented evidence of that in congress in 24. As you know as a journo he specializes in gov transparency, overreach, corruption etc, so what's he doing getting behind this if its actually all a giant overreach conspiracy?

 

[Jetflag]

I think you’re being had hens..all of you..incl Shellenberger..honestly..This is the same song and dance since the 60’s when the stealth program was being developed in Area 51 only now it’s Grush et co instead of Mulder and Scully so to speak. This entire documentary discloses nothing, it proves nothing and is in essence nothing more then a sermon for the faithful with a bit of a plot twist.


Now the government is being lied to by a higher echelon of government, (and therefor the idea of an overarching conspiracy is nonsense, apparently )


Here’s my 2 cents on the matter:

Is something being hidden? Yes. Clearly.

But it’s most likely not little green men and the keys to the universe.

I think at this point it’s far more likely that the initial fabrication/coverup story itself is what’s being kept back. The fact that the whole “aliens have landed and we captured their tech” (and later sold it to Boeing apparently) is a fabricated story, that served militairy intelligence at the time, (and later politici during elections or “embarrassing periods” as a handy look -over-there distraction or promise) and which is now a meme run so far amok that it won’t go away, and akin to a religion for some people, not to mention a profitable industry. People who will all get very, very pissed when they find out their “faith” is nothing more then madeup, and who won’t believe that even if that’s admitted right in front of them.
People like crop circle enthousiasts who will literally beat you if they find out they’re or their art are being f’d with…and People like Rubio, a political quite highup who will make sure heads will roll left right, or center.

and so here’s my prediction for the next documentary, and I’m going to call this now.

it’ll be exactly the same carrot on a stick with “high expectations” for the future then this was, without anything substantial being proven or revealed in the sense of áctual evidence despite diligent work from the likes of Shellenberger et co. Because why the hassle, hell and embarrassment of admitting you lied, when you can just keep the lie going?

Do I like that? No.
Would I like it if they actually did come up with proper evidence of alien visitations? Heck yea!
Do I think we’ll ever see that? No.

 

[Hensmon]

You're explanation, that this is simply a mass meme and confusion thats grown from some past disinformation campaign, is possible. But the devil is in the details. Lacatski (Pentagon Director) said he saw "alien bodies" with his own eyes. Grusch testified to documentation of "recovered non-human biologics" from his four year investigation of programs that operated after 2016. Elizondo said he watched a "high resolution" video filmed by a helicopter pilot that showed a black sphere "the size of an island" rise out of the ocean and swallow the missle they were there to recover.

How does that fit with your explanation, specifically? These are not things you can be confused about, nor are they from an old disinformation campaign.

 

[Jetflag]

You're explanation, that this is simply a mass meme and confusion thats grown from some past disinformation campaign, is possible. But the devil is in the details. Lacatski (Pentagon Director) said he saw "alien bodies" with his own eyes. Grusch testified to documentation of "recovered non-human biologics" from his four year investigation of programs that operated after 2016. Elizondo said he watched a "high resolution" video filmed by a helicopter pilot that showed a black sphere "the size of an island" rise out of the ocean and swallow the missle they were there to recover.

How does that fit with your explanation, specifically? These are not things you can be confused about, nor are they from an old disinformation campaign.

Sure it can.

Did he see actual alien bodies? Or something that was made to look like them to get the story going (or keep the story going)

who wrote said documentation/ put the folder together? (And was it someone working for the “higher government echelons”)

and a video of a big black ellipsoid thing rising from the ocean to “swallow” a missile is (besides something quite easily AfterEffectable in HD for some time now) also suspicially sounding like a submarine viewed from slightly above sealevel.

It’s all about the perception of things, and the story v memory consolidation will do the rest.

Wag the dog.

remember, the investigators are looking for proof of Aliens. That’s the million dollar prize.

They do not look to see if the documents etc. In question they receive / uncover have been tampered with or straight up made-up. (Utterly invalidating what is for some their life’s work/ Magnus opus and reputation)