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[TRANCEBLASTER]

If that's the case, what progressive refers to in the case of trance?

the term 'Progressive Trance' was made for the more atmospheric, acidic, esoteric stuff out there check .. 'Progressive House' was still full of pianos, vocal samples back then check

'Progressive House' was a stylistic separation from 'Chicago/House' .... and 'Progressive Trance' is a stylistic separation from 'Progressive House', not from 'Trance'

thats also the reason why many people hear that progtrance is in some way housey and groovy

 

[Jetflag]

But you don't avoid those places

I avoid them as much as i can , Rotterdam/The Hague in particular. Westland is fairy rural with its own little sub culture, especially near the coast.

 

[TheTranceHistorian]

the term 'Progressive Trance' was made for the more atmospheric, acidic, esoteric stuff out there check .. 'Progressive House' was still full of pianos, vocal samples back then check

'Progressive House' was a stylistic separation from 'Chicago/House' .... and 'Progressive Trance' is a stylistic separation from 'Progressive House', not from 'Trance'

thats also the reason why many people hear that progtrance is in some way housey and groovy

Well, there are also those that say the opposite (?), that early progressive house was very similar to trance. Anyway, it seems to me that the definition of progressive trance is all over the place. There's your angle, there's the stuff on WiKi (about it being essentially just a commercialized form of trance), there's my take (echoed by other people on Reddit, saying it essentially puts more emphasis on the evolution of the track), there's also the opinion of Ishkur... and none really fit together.

 

[SleepyBuddah]

I avoid them as much as i can , Rotterdam/The Hague in particular. Westland is fairy rural with its own little sub culture, especially near the coast.

I know, a part of my wife's family lives in Minster and Poeldijk and I have myself working in de Lier.

 

[TRANCEBLASTER]

Well, there are also those that say the opposite (?), that early progressive house was very similar to trance.

in many cases yes, 'Country & Western - Reincarnation' is a 'Progressive House' classic, but for me it was always a 'Trance' tune, thats always tricky

when I think of early 'Progressive House' I have tunes like these in my mind 'Slam - Eterna [Soma] 1991', 'Spooky - Land Of Oz (Ernie & Bert Mix) [Guerilla] 1992' or 'BT - Tripping The Light Fantastic [Perfecto] 1995' is my alltime favourite proghouse classic, do have these something in common with 'Trance'? not really

to my previous post, wiki says:

Progressive house emerged after the first wave of house music. The roots of progressive house can be traced back to the early 1990s rave and club scenes in the United Kingdom. The buzz word emerged from the rave scene around 1990 to 1992, describing a new sound of house that broke away from its American roots.

 

[Bobby Summa]

The case with "progressive" is quite similar. It was never truly intended as a distinct style—and arguably never was one—but rather as an all-encompassing artistic philosophy that underpinned much of the soulful and innovative electronic music of the early '90s. That's precisely why I've always found genre labels like "progressive trance" somewhat perplexing. After all, progression, evolution, and a sense of journey are already foundational elements of trance music. So what makes "progressive trance" any different? That it evolves even more? It starts to feel like a redundant classification, if you ask me. Yet platforms like Discogs recognize it as a legitimate subgenre of trance, while curiously omitting other potentially more distinct ones — like ambient trance or acid trance, for example. By the way, this whole topic of "progressive" is explored quite thoroughly in a recently released Paul van Dyk interview.

And yeah, technically acid, electro, house, trance, and all the other stuff from the early '90s falls under the umbrella of electronic dance music. That's how I use it also.​

I remember something like that feeling progressive trance. Maybe it became a term more prominently or stuck out more (although it had been termed that for many yrs still) when some forms of trance lost its traditional roots (in some tracks) . Around 2012 perhaps. — just a thought .

 

[Bobby Summa]

Well, there are also those that say the opposite (?), that early progressive house was very similar to trance. Anyway, it seems to me that the definition of progressive trance is all over the place. There's your angle, there's the stuff on WiKi (about it being essentially just a commercialized form of trance), there's my take (echoed by other people on Reddit, saying it essentially puts more emphasis on the evolution of the track), there's also the opinion of Ishkur... and none really fit together.

I feel in the olden days there were distinct flavours from certain countries,

house. Jack your body by Steve silk Hurley… one way or another… trances the hell out of me but it’s Chicago house… but to me has so much trance elements and was one of my first trancey (modern future) feel tracks I’d heard aged 11 in around 1987 . Chicago was the big house place, Detroit the techno , then Berlin other style of techno. With trance I bet something similar, but it’s a later style (mostly) to house and techno. Probably came through pirate radio stations from various countries? ( just a thought, plus think I read it too and certainly experienced it as a young lad crazily tuning my radio to bad signal but ace and obscure music stations in my early teens on holiday) But within various electronic styles of more 90s (then) IDM or ambient house etc, a trancey sound occasionally appeared. ( I probably should comment on hens main article about first trance track. lol.

My main point is with many genres of electronic music certain countries had a certain sound identity, so did this occur with trance too,( I’m unsure) , possibly. I don’t quite know the exact history but it’s often how music used to evolve I think.

 

[Bobby Summa]

the term 'Progressive Trance' was made for the more atmospheric, acidic, esoteric stuff out there check .. 'Progressive House' was still full of pianos, vocal samples back then check

'Progressive House' was a stylistic separation from 'Chicago/House' .... and 'Progressive Trance' is a stylistic separation from 'Progressive House', not from 'Trance'

thats also the reason why many people hear that progtrance is in some way housey and groovy

And perhaps that’s why when you look at tracks that fall under progressive trance you hear so much variation. Isn’t it true that back around 2000 - 2010 you had the genre ‘progressive & uplifting trance’ at the forefront of trance? To me I sometimes think if something is uplifting it defines a state like Euphoria, but then afaik Euphoric trance (as a genre) is quite different to progressive trance? More loud / upbeat. Faster tempo generally.

Just makes me think so much confusion can come from labelling genres… but then it’s often necessary for purposes of communicating.

 

[Bobby Summa]

@TheTranceHistorian @TRANCEBLASTER what genre would you call my track here Song for my darling - Bobby Summa. I’ve been wandering since making it?

 

[Archon]

The case with "progressive" is quite similar. It was never truly intended as a distinct style—and arguably never was one—but rather as an all-encompassing artistic philosophy that underpinned much of the soulful and innovative electronic music of the early '90s. That's precisely why I've always found genre labels like "progressive trance" somewhat perplexing. After all, progression, evolution, and a sense of journey are already foundational elements of trance music. So what makes "progressive trance" any different? That it evolves even more? It starts to feel like a redundant classification, if you ask me. Yet platforms like Discogs recognize it as a legitimate subgenre of trance, while curiously omitting other potentially more distinct ones — like ambient trance or acid trance, for example. By the way, this whole topic of "progressive" is explored quite thoroughly in a recently released Paul van Dyk interview.

And yeah, technically acid, electro, house, trance, and all the other stuff from the early '90s falls under the umbrella of electronic dance music. That's how I use it also.​

it was never about any journey or progression in tracks

Yes!!! Finally someone to back me up. That was my thinking for years now, even though I don't have the experience or the research to back it up with.

 

[TRANCEBLASTER]

@TheTranceHistorian @TRANCEBLASTER what genre would you call my track here Song for my darling - Bobby Summa. I’ve been wandering since making it?

sounds like 'Giorgio Moroder' demo, also vocals by 'Valerie Dore' would fit, so it must be modern take on 'Italo Disco')

 

[TRANCEBLASTER]

Isn’t it true that back around 2000 - 2010 you had the genre ‘progressive & uplifting trance’ at the forefront of trance?

in the first half of the 2000's were both 'Progressive House' and 'Progressive Trance' on the worldwide music map as important music genres. the UKish touch faded slowly away and mostly proghouse started to take more and more inspiration from 'Tech House' and 'Deep House'. 'Global Underground', 'Bedrock', 'James Holden', 'Way Out West', 'Sasha' .. ofc everybody knows these names

in second half of the 2000's both genres losing popualrity, the most popular proghouse artists changing their sound to 'Tech House' ... im not sure what was called 'Progressive Trance' in the years 2006 -2009 ?

in the 2010's are only few 'Progressive' releases made on vinyl, but thanks to new artist like 'Bliss Inc.', 'Guy Contact', 'Adam Pits' the genre is back on map

Progressive House vinyl releases

Progressive Trance vinyl releases

 

[NameLessYet]

I really want to ask Lostly when his Way Back Home in Movement: One could be released, but I think it will be a little impolite, and the answer will be something like "Oh, I don't know either, it depends on Rob" haha.

Alright, I asked this and he gave me a different answer than I thought.

He said it might not be released fully, he firstly made it for Rob's request, he used some of his old No Direction Home sound and made a "Old Lostly" track. Now he might want it to be Movement: One compilation exclusive.

So I think the only chance for the full track is the release of Movement: One (Extended Mixes) compilation, but will it be? I want to have this sincerely request @Grant Trowbridge, and can you convey it to Rob? Thanks a lot!

 

[Grant Trowbridge]

Alright, I asked this and he gave me a different answer than I thought.

He said it might not be released fully, he firstly made it for Rob's request, he used some of his old No Direction Home sound and made a "Old Lostly" track. Now he might want it to be Movement: One compilation exclusive.

So I think the only chance for the full track is the release of Movement: One (Extended Mixes) compilation, but will it be? I want to have this sincerely request @Grant Trowbridge, and can you convey it to Rob? Thanks a lot!

I’ve asked Rob a couple of times about this track and the last I heard that it won’t be getting a release and is exclusive to Movement compilation.

 

[badass]

What's on my mind today is whether this is gay or not. When I think about it, it's not gay in my book.

 

[PegaSus]

What's on my mind today is whether this is gay or not. When I think about it, it's not gay in my book.

It's a woman licking a man's ass right? What's gay about that?

 

[badass]

It's a woman licking a man's ass right? What's gay about that?

Haters be saying it's gay for the dude to get his ass eaten even by a girl. IDK bro I'm not a hater I'm all for ass eating

 

[PegaSus]

Haters be saying it's gay for the dude to get his ass eaten even by a girl.

What's that for Andrew Tate BS mate.

 

[badass]

What's that for Andrew Tate BS mate.

A lot of people are saying that Andrew Tate likes to get his ass eaten by girls. I ain't the one to gossip so you ain't heard that from me m8.

 

[Jetflag]

It's a woman licking a man's ass right? What's gay about that?

well..

Epistemologically speaking there are always going to be problems from the straight perspective when looking at “the gay” as a state of being, however, that taken into account when talking about “gay” , its gestalt form or it’s intrinsic meaning in the metaphysical sense, you could make a strong deductive argument that is is indeed to some degree gay.

- all gays on the sexual front preform or enjoy anal sex (to some degree)
- the man in question is being anally pleasured
- therefor, the man in question is to some degree gay


There is, admittedly, a grey area present which begs the question: to what degree is said action gay?

for instance: is it more or less gay if he desires to put a 30 inch black dildo up there then have his girl eat him out? and, if yes, is it then less or more gay if its the female partner doing it or himself (a man).

food for thought.