OUT Billy Gillies - Nostalgia [FSOE]

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Billy Gillies
Release title
Nostalgia
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FSOE
Release date
Dec 17, 2021
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Single
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http://www.beatport.com/release/nostalgia/3576980

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Looking forward to this, sounds really good. Billy usually delivers quality :)
 
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Whats to ne excited about?😅

Default sounding track. Sounds like everything and nothing from every year in the yearly top 10 asot tunes from the last 10+ years.
 
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I'm also love this track from the first listening :love: If this track really belongs to Billy I can say that will be the strongest release in FSOE label.
 

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Billy Gillies - Nostalgia [FSOE / 17.12.2021]


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So, as I see officially confirmed that is a Billy's new track :) Great news. The best FSOE single release from him for my taste :)
 
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Sounds like everything

Indeed it does.

This is the 3rd topic I visit now after Alex MOPRH and Cirian McSomething. AGAIN, I can type the same comment.

It's alright if you judge it on it's own. If I knew no other music, then I'd say, sure, this is nice.

But you could swap all these 3 tracks and nobody would notice.

Artistic value in music means nothing in the last 10 years of "trance". Any generic piece is loved as if mozart is back.
 
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Indeed it does.

This is the 3rd topic I visit now after Alex MOPRH and Cirian McSomething. AGAIN, I can type the same comment.

It's alright if you judge it on it's own. If I knew no other music, then I'd say, sure, this is nice.

But you could swap all these 3 tracks and nobody would notice.

Artistic value in music means nothing in the last 10 years of "trance". Any generic piece is loved as if mozart is back.
So every new trance track is basically the same as EVERY new pop music track??

Maybe all the artists in the world should need to stop making music then :D
Since every new track will sound the same as before
 
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I love the ideas and melodic aspect of this track while the kick/bass is pretty generic...
 

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So every new trance track is basically the same as EVERY new pop music track??

I never said 138-trance sounds like pop songs. So I don't understand what point you are trying to make. My statements "they sound the same" are not similar to what your grandma would say "this is boem boem boem music, it's all the same". I am making an 100% objective analysis of the product. I will show you why it's objective.

Let's look at only the kickdrum (to begin with), to objectively decide on the artistic value of above track:

THE KICK

In all these tracks, where I recently said "they sound alike", the kicks are roughly the same. With that I mean: the "style" of those kicks is the same.

And because of that: You could take the kick from the Alex MORPH track, and implement it in Billy's track. And literally nobody would hear any difference. You could then take the kick from Billy's track and implement that into the Carian O'Something guy's track. And still, nobody would notice anything. And you can take thát kick and use it in.... ETCETERA. You can swap all these kicks from dozens of artists and no fucks would be given.

Why? Because all those kicks are of the exact same style >> The famous big thumping kick with a big "midhigh-frequency tick". Straight out of an Activa sample pack or whatever.

So. Conclusion so far: The artistic value of the kickdrums used by ALL these artists: extremely LOW. The kicks give their tracks zero identity. Nothing tells me "Ah yeah, this is the artist ALEX Morph speaking to me". No. It's just pure generic.

HOW IT USED TO BE

So... Maybe you think: Stop it, it's just a kickdrum. That's just a "boom" sound, and that's it. What are they else going to use. No drums? No. You are wrong.

Twenty years ago artists DID use many other types of kickdrums. So many different ones that artists even had their "own" type of kick.

Listen to any Ferry Corsten track, or Svenson, or Rank 1, or Dumonde, Tiesto, Cosmic Gate, etc. Those artsts used their "own" type of kicks. You can tell just by the kick it's from them. It's their identity.

To praise them even more: It's not like Sven or Ferry used the "exact same kick" sample over and over and over again. No, they used different ones, but "within the range of their identity". So if you take Sven, you can listen to Twisted, Beauty of Silence, l"Esperanza, Silence (Remix).... 4 different kicks, yet all "his signature sound kick". Same for the other artists.

(To compare with 2021: For example take Allen & Envy. Praised a LOT within the 138-scene. But they don't just use a generic kick. That's already bad. But they use the exact same sample in lots of tracks. Literally the exact same one!!!)

So. Conclusion: The artistic value of the kickdrums used back then was way higher. Simply because back then, they were trying to have their own identity. Their own sounds. And not by re-using stuff, but actual creating new ones "yet still within their identity'. And succeeded! So it's very possible.

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Now, so far, a lot of words, but I have still only judged the above track based on the kickdrum.

I will tell you in short how this analysis continues: not good. Because all, or at least most, aspects of the track will end up this way:

- bassline: lack of identity, the sounds are used by everyone, and also it's always kick-bass-bass-bass-kick "rolling" rhythm... you can swap them and nobody would care. Was it different in the past? Yes, back then artists were capabable of it... so why not now? Conclusion, bassline artisic value: Very low.

- Percussion: lack of identity. These clicky meaningless loops are used in all these tracks. You can swap these loops with the ones from the other tracks, and the track would be still the same to you. But wait, in the past artists were capabable of it... why not now? Percs: artisic value Low.

- Synts: all similar "plucks", no identity, but wait, in the past artists were very capable of "own" synth sounds, why not now? Synths now: artistic value: Low.


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So..... a 100% objective analysis of this track, and all other recent 138-uplifters: They are bad.

Therefor I cannot understand why the Freezers of this world rate all these tracks 8/10 one after another. Because with my story here, I objectively showed why such a track can never get a high score, even when the melodies in it are nice. The artistic value of the whole production is simply way too low for a high score.
 

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Artistic value in the style of trance that has been regressing ever since it showed up ~15 years ago? Ha.

And can someone explain to me why are we still discussing how tracks like these all sound alike? Does not anyone get this already?

The track is really not good, besides being plainly and openly as generic as possible. The main melody progresses oddly, and the bass doesn't really follow it at all. Carries no energy or emotion, besides the absurdly cheap ones for the uninitiated.

Producers should really figure out if what they are making is art, and whether or not they are contributing to anyone other than themselves with their product.
 
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nostalgia is a subjective feeling probably, I do not feel it in this piece, the piece is plain, unforgettable, seems to be forcefully released. That there was something
 
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I never said 138-trance sounds like pop songs. So I don't understand what point you are trying to make. My statements "they sound the same" are not similar to what your grandma would say "this is boem boem boem music, it's all the same". I am making an 100% objective analysis of the product. I will show you why it's objective.

Let's look at only the kickdrum (to begin with), to objectively decide on the artistic value of above track:

THE KICK

In all these tracks, where I recently said "they sound alike", the kicks are roughly the same. With that I mean: the "style" of those kicks is the same.

And because of that: You could take the kick from the Alex MORPH track, and implement it in Billy's track. And literally nobody would hear any difference. You could then take the kick from Billy's track and implement that into the Carian O'Something guy's track. And still, nobody would notice anything. And you can take thát kick and use it in.... ETCETERA. You can swap all these kicks from dozens of artists and no fucks would be given.

Why? Because all those kicks are of the exact same style >> The famous big thumping kick with a big "midhigh-frequency tick". Straight out of an Activa sample pack or whatever.

So. Conclusion so far: The artistic value of the kickdrums used by ALL these artists: extremely LOW. The kicks give their tracks zero identity. Nothing tells me "Ah yeah, this is the artist ALEX Morph speaking to me". No. It's just pure generic.

HOW IT USED TO BE

So... Maybe you think: Stop it, it's just a kickdrum. That's just a "boom" sound, and that's it. What are they else going to use. No drums? No. You are wrong.

Twenty years ago artists DID use many other types of kickdrums. So many different ones that artists even had their "own" type of kick.

Listen to any Ferry Corsten track, or Svenson, or Rank 1, or Dumonde, Tiesto, Cosmic Gate, etc. Those artsts used their "own" type of kicks. You can tell just by the kick it's from them. It's their identity.

To praise them even more: It's not like Sven or Ferry used the "exact same kick" sample over and over and over again. No, they used different ones, but "within the range of their identity". So if you take Sven, you can listen to Twisted, Beauty of Silence, l"Esperanza, Silence (Remix).... 4 different kicks, yet all "his signature sound kick". Same for the other artists.

(To compare with 2021: For example take Allen & Envy. Praised a LOT within the 138-scene. But they don't just use a generic kick. That's already bad. But they use the exact same sample in lots of tracks. Literally the exact same one!!!)

So. Conclusion: The artistic value of the kickdrums used back then was way higher. Simply because back then, they were trying to have their own identity. Their own sounds. And not by re-using stuff, but actual creating new ones "yet still within their identity'. And succeeded! So it's very possible.

------------

Now, so far, a lot of words, but I have still only judged the above track based on the kickdrum.

I will tell you in short how this analysis continues: not good. Because all, or at least most, aspects of the track will end up this way:

- bassline: lack of identity, the sounds are used by everyone, and also it's always kick-bass-bass-bass-kick "rolling" rhythm... you can swap them and nobody would care. Was it different in the past? Yes, back then artists were capabable of it... so why not now? Conclusion, bassline artisic value: Very low.

- Percussion: lack of identity. These clicky meaningless loops are used in all these tracks. You can swap these loops with the ones from the other tracks, and the track would be still the same to you. But wait, in the past artists were capabable of it... why not now? Percs: artisic value Low.

- Synts: all similar "plucks", no identity, but wait, in the past artists were very capable of "own" synth sounds, why not now? Synths now: artistic value: Low.


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So..... a 100% objective analysis of this track, and all other recent 138-uplifters: They are bad.

Therefor I cannot understand why the Freezers of this world rate all these tracks 8/10 one after another. Because with my story here, I objectively showed why such a track can never get a high score, even when the melodies in it are nice. The artistic value of the whole production is simply way too low for a high score.

I am not saying that every 138 track sounds the same as a new pop track!
I am saying: Every new pop track also sounds the same as pop tracks from 10 years ago..... But I never hear anyone complaining about the new pop tracks on the internet!

Why is everyone compaining here??
It was the problem at the old Trancefix and it is returning on the new one as well.....
We have ( in my opinion) too much crap in the New Releases section now.... But I don't reply to all of them saying that they are boring crap....