Conservative or liberal (politics)
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Jetflag
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yeah the tide on that is definitely shifting, not just on social media. which, hadn't it been poluted by the echo chamber phenomenon and clickbait alghorithms, would be a good barometer of what goes on in the minds of more and more people.
I’ve stayed neutral on that situation, as I don’t really care about Ed Sheeran or the Israel-Palestine conflict but its highly amusing seeing a washed out, irrelevant artist (Macklemore) take down one of the most popular commercial artists in the world
facade1984
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Salute to Macklemore btw. It's wild to me that Kanye can sing a song called heil hitler chris brown literally beats women up and that's ok, but Macklemore says free Palestine and somehow that's too much. Society just feels so backwards to me right now
That's because Ed sheeran is under an umbrella of Robert Kraft who is a multi billionaire and Ed sheeran is just your average joe blog who has a guitar and sings generic songs. Whilst both Kanye (his wife is curvy as hell but somehow she stays with him for some reason) and Chris Brown are their own bosses and they have their own billion dollar empire
The whole landscape is so polarised. I just found out that Canada (Alberta now is trying to break away from Canada like what Quebec has tried to do 3 times now). Didn't they learn from Brexit? How that failed miserably? I am part Canadian hence why I try to keep in touch with it. I don't know why Youtube mislabeled this video as AI, when it's not AI generated.
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Jetflag
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Brexit didn’t fail miserably,
it also didn’t succeed amazingly.
It’s sort of still hanging there so to speak
The UK has basically followed the slow decline trend the rest of (western) Europe is currently experiencing, precisely because it didn’t capitize (much) on its newly gained shackles removed. Most regulations are still (slightly) modified EU rules. Basically the Tories and Labour currently in office kept it business as usual.
couple of notable exceptions: MHRA approved COVID vaccines much faster than the EMA, and new trade deals where struck with Japan, New Zealand/ Australia.
but it’s breadcrumbs to what the could have done.
The UK has gone through 7 prime ministers since June 2016 (ie Brexit)Brexit didn’t fail miserably,
it also didn’t succeed amazingly.
It’s sort of still hanging there so to speak
The UK has basically followed the slow decline trend the rest of (western) Europe is currently experiencing, precisely because it didn’t capitize (much) on its newly gained shackles removed. Most regulations are still (slightly) modified EU rules. Basically the Tories and Labour currently in office kept it business as usual.
couple of notable exceptions: MHRA approved COVID vaccines much faster than the EMA, and new trade deals where struck with Japan, New Zealand/ Australia.
but it’s breadcrumbs to what the could have done.
They've had a terrorist attacks too and they've reduced by 6-8% after leaving the EU.
Investments are less than 12% then what they could be if they were with EU and Youth Unemployment Rate: 16.4%
Ten years on, Brexit's economic impact is becoming clearer
A decade ago, many economists argued the UK would sustain longer-term economic damage by leaving the EU. So what did happen?
www.bbc.com
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Kanye does it on his own show, Macklemore does in on another mans show, thats the difference.
Imagen you hosting a party and the Dj you invited showing putting on a MAGA hat half way the set and yelling "isreal is just practicing self defence peelul" through the mic, without even informing you he's going to to that?
I don't care what the man's stance on the current thing is, he can support whatever he wants... but hijacking someone else's main gig for your own muh activism without so much as talking that through is just obnoxious.
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Yes I suppose if you read BBC opeds brexit is all gloom and doomThe UK has gone through 7 prime ministers since June 2016 (ie Brexit)
They've had a terrorist attacks too and they've reduced by 6-8% after leaving the EU.
Investments are less than 12% then what they could be if they were with EU and Youth Unemployment Rate: 16.4%
Ten years on, Brexit's economic impact is becoming clearer
A decade ago, many economists argued the UK would sustain longer-term economic damage by leaving the EU. So what did happen?
The average 6% smaller economy and lower/slower investments is a comparison "this is what would have happened if we remained" guess (synthetic control/ gravity models) Assumtions basically, that also don't take other side shocks like Covid/Energy prices, Ukraine into account. If you take a look at áctual growth: the UK real GDP grew after 2016, comparetivly or even better in some areas compared to germany or france over the same period.
Overall unemployment did not surge, and terrorist attacks on the EU main land far exceeded those in the UK.
Like i said, The uk defacto grew (or shrank depending on how you measure) about the same as EU leading countries of comparable economies like France or Germany.
also, The netherlands has had six elections and 4 goverment/regime changes in a similar time, If you count actual goverment party in charge instead of just figurehead: the UK only had 2 (tory to labour), (3 if you count a change in monarch)
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facade1984
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Jesus Christ. I wasn't asking why they're allowed to perform, I was asking why there seems to be no public furore around them. Just pointing out that it's weird who seems to get a pass these days
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what alternate dimension didn't have public furore about West and Brown m8?
The former had like a dozen shows cancelled and the latter had his visa revoked/ was forced to cancel a whole EU tour. Both experienced massive backlash for their actions.. and thats not even going into all the newspapers/post etc...
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The Kanye thing is strange.
It’s clear the guy has serious mental health issues and while that doesn’t completely absolve him of any responsibility, it still amazes me that no one in his ‘team’ take any flack for enabling him.
Anyone with any experience with the music industry know you don’t just release a song called ‘Heil Hitler’ when you are someone like him and it be all your own doing.
Sample clearance, copyright, session musician contracts, mixing, mastering etc.
all requires other people get involved from lawyers, label execs, engineers, musicians and all that. And not one person pulled him to one side and said “hey, maybe this isn’t a good idea” and tried to get him some help?
Nope, they all went along with it, riding that money train straight into a wall.
Same with the swastika tee shirts he was selling as merch. No chance someone like him sets that up on his own with no one noticing until the outcry.
The entertainment industry is a truly awful place.
It’s clear the guy has serious mental health issues and while that doesn’t completely absolve him of any responsibility, it still amazes me that no one in his ‘team’ take any flack for enabling him.
Anyone with any experience with the music industry know you don’t just release a song called ‘Heil Hitler’ when you are someone like him and it be all your own doing.
Sample clearance, copyright, session musician contracts, mixing, mastering etc.
all requires other people get involved from lawyers, label execs, engineers, musicians and all that. And not one person pulled him to one side and said “hey, maybe this isn’t a good idea” and tried to get him some help?
Nope, they all went along with it, riding that money train straight into a wall.
Same with the swastika tee shirts he was selling as merch. No chance someone like him sets that up on his own with no one noticing until the outcry.
The entertainment industry is a truly awful place.
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Here here,
to be fair to Kanye, the whole context of the song explains him using the HH frame in a light other then the literal meaning of it.. but it is marketwise the same trick being used with say Sydney Sweeney adds.
You know people will react to this, and reaction, even bad ones = money in this industry.
Kanye is a legend. Chris Brown is influential. Macklemore is a washed out artist who had one good song more than ten years ago and who screwed over his friend’s tour.
I don’t think this is a complicated argument lol
There has always been public furor about them. Your opinions about Kanye and Chris Brown are pretty common on Reddit [fauxmoi/politics], threads, and among college-educated populations (especially women). Your opinion is also pretty common among kpop stans.
Not everyone falls into those buckets
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In either/ All case: The proverb "Never discuss politics or religion at the dinner table" rings true. Yes you can if you must/ want too, but you will alienate people regardless of what position you take.
I don't think Sheeran (and/or his alleged "mossad management"
) should have cancelled Macklemore over one fuckup though, (he could have simply asked him to not every do that on his tour again)
But he is correct in not letting others politically color his gigs for him, without his consent.
I don't think Sheeran (and/or his alleged "mossad management"
) should have cancelled Macklemore over one fuckup though, (he could have simply asked him to not every do that on his tour again)But he is correct in not letting others politically color his gigs for him, without his consent.
People are strange. When it comes to religion/race and politics things always become heated no matter which side you choose. Before this week I had never heard of Macklemore I only heard about Ed Sheeran even though I don't like any of their songs.
Never got into either one of them