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[dmgtz96]

That was hilarious. Who is the second guy supposed to be?

 

[LostLegend]

That was hilarious. Who is the second guy supposed to be?

Not entirely sure, I think it's supposed to be Steven Crowder

 

[Jetflag]

Nice

 

[Progrez]

White Australia policy in the 1960's.

 

[dmgtz96]

Reddit is also imploding. A lot of threads on r/popular openly promote violence and terrorism. I hope the website gets taken down. Their stock is down 38% since a month ago. I should short it.

Anyways, decision made: I'm voting for Republicans in the midterms and 2028. LFG, reduced government waste and liberals realizing they shouldn't fuck with other people's property or bully others simply for what car they drive.

 

[Progrez]

Reddit is also imploding. A lot of threads on r/popular openly promote violence and terrorism. I hope the website gets taken down.

Anyways, decision made: I'm voting for Republicans in the midterms and 2028. LFG, reduced government waste and liberals realizing they shouldn't fuck with other people's property or bully others simply for what car they drive.

Yeah I saw that a couple of weeks ago on Ashmongold's Youtube channel and there is so much of people against Muslims. I had one of my German friends block me and I have been talking to him for over 12 years now and he blocked me because I did not want to get into a discussion with him about Israel and Palestine, his views against Muslims. But he blocked me just out of the blue (the reason how he has blocked me) is that I cannot see his last status update.

 

[dmgtz96]

Yeah I saw that a couple of weeks ago on Ashmongold's Youtube channel and there is so much of people against Muslims. I had one of my German friends block me and I have been talking to him for over 12 years now and he blocked me because I did not want to get into a discussion with him about Israel and Palestine, his views against Muslims. But he blocked me just out of the blue (the reason how he has blocked me) is that I cannot see his last status update.

I was mainly referring to the arsonists targeting Tesla dealerships and vehicles owned by normal Americans, but yes, the American general population has certain viewpoints on the Israel-Palestine conflict. A lot of Muslims from Michigan abstained to vote for Kamala because she wasn't doing enough about the Israel-Palestine conflict, meanwhile Trump is happy to suck up to Netanayahu lol.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

I was mainly referring to the arsonists targeting Tesla dealerships and vehicles owned by normal Americans, but yes, the American general population has certain viewpoints on the Israel-Palestine conflict. A lot of Muslims from Michigan abstained to vote for Kamala because she wasn't doing enough about the Israel-Palestine conflict, meanwhile Trump is happy to suck up to Netanayahu lol.

You realize a lot of the voices that you were referring to on Reddit and elsewhere may in fact be bots, right?

 

[dmgtz96]

You realize a lot of the voices that you were referring to on Reddit and elsewhere may in fact be bots, right?

You do have a point. The sheer lack of empathy/sympathy from all those people is insane.

 

[Jetflag]

Reddit is also imploding. A lot of threads on r/popular openly promote violence and terrorism. I hope the website gets taken down. Their stock is down 38% since a month ago. I should short it.

Anyways, decision made: I'm voting for Republicans in the midterms and 2028. LFG, reduced government waste and liberals realizing they shouldn't fuck with other people's property or bully others simply for what car they drive.

Though I agree with you on this, proTip: wait with the final decision one week before the actual election and re-evaluate taken all points into account.

The reps may very well be the least awful party now but that can change, and 2 years is a long time in politics

 

[Jetflag]

You realize a lot of the voices that you were referring to on Reddit and elsewhere may in fact be bots, right?

Agreed, question then becomes: who/what is unleashing the bots promoting arson/violence etc

 

[LostLegend]

Agreed, question then becomes: who/what is unleashing the bots promoting arson/violence etc

 

[LostLegend]

Saying that, it could easily be the Chinese also.
BYD have a LOT to gain here if Tesla crashes severely, doubly so if their claims of how fast their cars charge are even close to being true.

 

[Jetflag]

I love how claiming that soros funding it is seen as a conspiracy theory here.

.. but the ad nauseum Blue-Anon Russia dundiddit somehow isn’t, whilst at the same time screeching how Vlad & Trump are the bestest of buddies.

like..what’s it gonna be fellas? You can’t have both at the same time

 

[LostLegend]

.. but the ad nauseum Blue-Anon Russia dundiddit somehow isn’t, whilst at the same time screeching how Vlad & Trump are the bestest of buddies.

I think Trump wants to be buddies and Vlad the Lad has him wrapped around his fingers (Which end he has his fingers around is the real question though )

 

[Jetflag]

I think Trump wants to be buddies and Vlad the Lad has him wrapped around his fingers (Which end he has his fingers around is the real question though )

Nonsense.

if vlad truly had that amount of influence over him then Vlad would have
- assad kept in place
- Iran un-sanctioned / left alone
- houthy rebels in control

and the fact that he was chickenshit to invade Ukraine during trumps first speaks bookmarks also.

Putin/ Trump share the same doctrine of being pro their own country and people misinterpreted that as therefor they’re bedbuddies. They’re not.

 

[LostLegend]

Nonsense.

if vlad truly had that amount of influence over him then Vlad would have
- assad kept in place
- Iran un-sanctioned / left alone
- houthy rebels in control

and the fact that he was chickenshit to invade Ukraine during trumps first speaks bookmarks also.

Putin/ Trump share the same doctrine of being pro their own country and people misinterpreted that as therefor they’re bedbuddies. They’re not.

Could you ever see Trump trying to talk to Putin the same way he did to Zelenskyy in their meeting?
Given the some of the stunts Putin has pulled in regards to Trump, the fact he hasn't been subject to one of Trump's midnight Truth Social all-caps meltdowns is also telling.

As I said, I don't think they are friends, I think Trump admires him and over-presumes on their relationship.

 

[Jetflag]

, I think Trump admires him and over-presumes on their relationship.

Yes, and that’s something wholly different than the absurd blue-anon that Putin is C&C-Yuri style controlling him/ pulling his strings is it?

Trumps credo, even though he hasn’t said this directly is that it’s better to have a strong opponent then a weak ally. Putin seems to share that sentiment.

 

[SaltAcidFatHeatAcid]

Tesla vandalism, which in the scheme of things is completely predictable - I disagree with it wholly as do most Americans. Duh. /r/popular should not be a gauge of anything in reality FFS. Elon Musk is tanking the brand amongst his core support as leader of DOGE and a 200mil+ funder of Trump's campaign. Peaceful protests against Tesla make sense - hit Elon/Tesla where it hurts, given these groups of people have no power to stop what Elon is doing to the Fed Govt right now (rather illegally might I add). And with a widely organized protest like that, there will always be a group within that takes it way too far. We see this amongst all the protests that have arisen over the years - but that smaller group within does not typically reflect the whole - and that goes for both sides of the aisle. So, one can support boycotting Tesla while denouncing vandalism. Personally I see the downfall of Tesla as tragic and so unfortunate. My neighbor is high up there. My company works with them. It was a leading USA carmaker and innovator. Aside from Elon, as an American, why on earth would I want Tesla to fail? Elon should step down immediately but it's too late to stem the damage. And this extends to the American brand worldwide. People WILL avoid American products as a form of payback - and I can't blame them. It's unfortunate and I'll personally feel that pain as will most Americans.

Meanwhile, while y'all are acting like the vandalism of Tesla's is indicative of a Democratic party-led-conspiracy to destroy America, the Trump admin is actually working on destroying America and our reputation and standing in the world. Back home, currently vilifying and ignoring the judiciary, the last backstop against their largely-illegal Executive actions. The admin is now straight up challenging the judiciary's role in curbing their illegal actions, and influencing an entire electorate to believe that is OK. An electorate that gets a huge chunk of their political information from TikTok. This is a democracy-ending trend. And Trump supporters are calling in bomb threats to courtrooms, sending pizzas to judges to say 'we know where you live'. Their families are being targeted on social media and in real life. Why no outrage for this given it's on another magnitude than dumbasses torching Teslas? Amazing what gets people's attention when a narrative is spun up. I see the topics on here aligning with the Fox News cycle - doubt you all watch Fox News but it is interesting to see the media influence and narratives trickle in to whatever echo chamber's y'all spend the most time in.

I cannot overstate the danger in what our admin is trying to do right now with their current actions. The list is long and the pace in which things are rolling out make Hungary's slip from Democracy look pedestrian. Our democracy is on fucking fire right now and we are on here talking about a fucking electric car on fire. Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

 

[Jetflag]

Tesla vandalism, which in the scheme of things is completely predictable - I disagree with it wholly as do most Americans. Duh. /r/popular should not be a gauge of anything in reality FFS. Elon Musk is tanking the brand amongst his core support as leader of DOGE and a 200mil+ funder of Trump's campaign. Peaceful protests against Tesla make sense - hit Elon/Tesla where it hurts, given these groups of people have no power to stop what Elon is doing to the Fed Govt right now (rather illegally might I add). And with a widely organized protest like that, there will always be a group within that takes it way too far. We see this amongst all the protests that have arisen over the years - but that smaller group within does not typically reflect the whole - and that goes for both sides of the aisle. So, one can support boycotting Tesla while denouncing vandalism. Personally I see the downfall of Tesla as tragic and so unfortunate. My neighbor is high up there. My company works with them. It was a leading USA carmaker and innovator. Aside from Elon, as an American, why on earth would I want Tesla to fail? Elon should step down immediately but it's too late to stem the damage. And this extends to the American brand worldwide. People WILL avoid American products as a form of payback - and I can't blame them. It's unfortunate and I'll personally feel that pain as will most Americans.

Meanwhile, while y'all are acting like the vandalism of Tesla's is indicative of a Democratic party-led-conspiracy to destroy America, the Trump admin is actually working on destroying America and our reputation and standing in the world. Back home, currently vilifying and ignoring the judiciary, the last backstop against their largely-illegal Executive actions. The admin is now straight up challenging the judiciary's role in curbing their illegal actions, and influencing an entire electorate to believe that is OK. An electorate that gets a huge chunk of their political information from TikTok. This is a democracy-ending trend. And Trump supporters are calling in bomb threats to courtrooms, sending pizzas to judges to say 'we know where you live'. Their families are being targeted on social media and in real life. Why no outrage for this given it's on another magnitude than dumbasses torching Teslas? Amazing what gets people's attention when a narrative is spun up. I see the topics on here aligning with the Fox News cycle - doubt you all watch Fox News but it is interesting to see the media influence and narratives trickle in to whatever echo chamber's y'all spend the most time in.

I cannot overstate the danger in what our admin is trying to do right now with their current actions. The list is long and the pace in which things are rolling out make Hungary's slip from Democracy look pedestrian. Our democracy is on fucking fire right now and we are on here talking about a fucking electric car on fire. Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Your democracy is not on fire, your bureaucracy is. Your democracy is working fine.

Will say this first , you’re a decent person for at the very least condemning the illegal parts and free to have or have not have sympathies for the sentiment even though i disagree with it/ think it’s largely inorganic.



Now to (hopefully) steel-man your central point here:



“y’all” seem to think that democrat endorsement and financial support of activist groups responsible for Tesla protest and vandalism is more morally reprehensible…



then the Trump-administration (finally) forcing an audit to a demonstrably corrupt, utterly rusted and expensive bureaucracy that hasn’t seen an under the hood check in 80 years.



Speaking for myself here: Yes, the top one is more morally reprehensible.



Why?

1. Tesla is not “musk property”. it’s a public company, 80/90% of which is owned by shareholders. You’re not “hitting Musk where it hurts” you’re hurting (overwhelmingly) democrats with this. Most of whom bought the verhicle to save the climate. (Funny how quickly that argument flew out the window by the way..) Even if Tesla went bankrupt today. He already has his share of the money, averaging him at around 300 b instead of 400 b.

1. Whereas most republicans (pence, Shapiro etc. At least had the decency and moral compass to condemn the jan 6 actions, I have not seen a single democrat condemning these protests/terrorism acts, in fact their cheering it on out of pure misdirected childish spite. Whilst their ActBlue is directly financing groups responsible for protest involving vandalism and terrorism.

1. Pretty much every US presidency, ranging all the way back to bush 1, has had a report on its desk of potential conflict of interests, money laundering, ineffectiveness/ inefficiencies etc etc et all of either the whole, one or more federal institutions, from either that or the former administration. Result? -> crickets/bottom of the pile. Every Single Time. I’ve seen a lot of people including yourself not so much bemoaning the fact that an audit takes place, because everyone with a brain is against money laundering, waste and Kafka structures on a federal level..but the (brusque) way in which its being done to which my reply is: It’s been done “the right way” for decades with said reports ^, and nothing happens. What effective “right way” would you suggest that actually gets things done? Or are you conversely content enough with the absolute tax-wasting cancer that is your federal government currently to just let it slide Once more? From where I’m standing: Musk is fighting corruption, Corruption is fighting back. It’s as simple as that.

As for merits in your argument:
Do I agree fundamentally with all the back doors and baseball bat practices he and Trump are taking? No. but I will pick Result over Procedure 8 out of 10 times in this case and will, in terms of Ethics, definitely rank that below actively funding groups incentivising Terror, Arson and Vandalism against ordinary people (or companies) who have done nothing wrong. Which is not something you cannot say about, at the very least half of the audited USAiD practices for example.