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Jetflag

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Globally selfish and wrong is what he is. Ie not for the good of the planet. Indicates he only cares about America.
I think Trump is doing things in the right order, in terms of responsibility.

Problem is, we’ve seen how political socialist-world-saviour-complexes who neglect their own citizenry/ country pan out in the final analysis, and it ain’t pretty, not to mention extremely ineffective. It only makes things worse (globally/planet speaking)

if you can’t take care of your country, you most certainly can’t take care of the whole world. (Which, to his credit, he actually seems to attempt on the sidelines, but that aside)
 
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Thats what he wants you to think.

who controls @Hensmon @Progrez WHO!!?

Wake up sheepul, big Dane is watching you
I control myself but there is a chance he might ban me but I will post this
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I think Trump is doing things in the right order, in terms of responsibility.

Problem is, we’ve seen how political socialist-world-saviour-complexes who neglect their own citizenry/ country pan out in the final analysis, and it ain’t pretty, not to mention extremely ineffective. It only makes things worse (globally/planet speaking)

if you can’t take care of your country, you most certainly can’t take care of the whole world. (Which, to his credit, he actually seems to attempt on the sidelines, but that aside)
Both have to be considered but he is doing it I feel completely unbalanced and bias
 
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Jetflag

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Both have to be considered but he is doing it I feel completely unbalanced and bias
he's doing it the way he does most foreign policy or real estating in new york back in the day basically.. Go in hard/blunt, and then proceed to work out a deal from a position of dominance.

what I do like about the current approach is that it sort of forces countries in Europe to reconsider their own independence/strength both militairy and economically, instead of always being dependent on big daddy US and its army/debt. Its tough-love in that sense.
 
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It was hilarious and terrifying seeing USA stocks fall in real time during his announcement of the tariffs. I lost like $1,500 from my 401k, but yeah, it's wild to see no movement there year to date lol
 
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he's doing it the way he does most foreign policy or real estating in new york back in the day basically.. Go in hard/blunt, and then proceed to work out a deal from a position of dominance.

what I do like about the current approach is that it sort of forces countries in Europe to reconsider their own independence/strength both militairy and economically, instead of always being dependent on big daddy US and its army/debt. Its tough-love in that sense.
Can the EU afford it, though? Conservatives in the US don't seem to think so.
From a more (American) centrist POV, I'm not too aware of the booming European industries specifically.
 
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Can the EU afford it, though? Conservatives in the US don't seem to think so.
From a more (American) centrist POV, I'm not too aware of the booming European industries specifically.
We will see.. there’s a lot of archaic factories who need to be revitalised. (Ruhrgebied etc) and then there’s Poland..we (speaking for the Dutch) are good at trade overall, so I think we pull our selves up by our own bootstraps we can regrow.. but its going to be hard for a couple of years given we had a 30 year break.

Brussel mismanagement is probably going to run it in the ground though. They’ll chokehold everything with pendantic and conflicting rules and regulations whereas what Europe imo needs right now needs less of that, in order to develop/keep up.
 
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Watching my investments tank is surreal. Dow almost down 15% since just weeks ago. Surely though, the off-chance RFK is effective at changing the health outlook of Americans makes this pain worth it right? And the situation in Palestine is much better? And the ceasefire and pressure with Russia is working too? And companies will be reinvesting in American manufacturing in short order b/c the goals and metrics around these tariffs are clear and well defined, right? And there is sufficient timeframe for them to do so without grievously harming American firms and established trade? And there's certainty around the policies that would lead to companies investing in a way that is predictable? It's not like we have examples from 7-8 years ago re: tariffs to give us insight into what might come to pass. I wish we did. So much winning afoot, it's hard to know where to begin today.
 
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Good to see Donald putting all the tough tariffs on those uninhabited Antarctic islands. It's about time those freeloading Penguin bastards started paying their dues!

As someone who works with AI a lot, it's extremely clear it was used in generating that chart. The math behind the numbers is so untethered to any economic reality it's beyond the pale.
 
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I've lost $2.5k more just today, lmao. Republicans are done for the midterms. Nobody wants to lose 401k money.
 
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I've lost $2.5k more just today, lmao. Republicans are done for the midterms. Nobody wants to lose 401k money.
Mass layoffs in the US auto sector too and expected to grow. Nothing like kicking the people square in the nards that need the help the most. The US, Canada and Mexico are stronger working together and anyone who doesn't understand that is missing some key economic realities. At the same time, we are poisoning all good will for the US and our brands. The hubris the admin (and some on here) have that closing up our free markets won't be seriously detrimental to the US in the short and long term is alarming, and frankly, naïve.
 
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I thought this was quite a good overview and analysis of the tariff situation. I agree with his observation on the misplaced alarmism.

Tariffs as a strategy deliberately takes short term loss for potential off long term gain. That long-term gain might never materialize, and Yanis doesn't believe it will (but notes it has in the past with Nixon), and I have no reason to doubt him there. So you can disagree with the econmic policy but also not get swept up in the "project fear" aspect that comes with it. Immediate market reactions as a means to asses this specific strategy is pointless. Short-term market behavior have never been a good indicator on long term economic policy tbh. I have no doubt in my mind my positions will be recovered in a year or two too.

 
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Three Stellantis plants near me are closing and will lay off everyone employed there
 

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... also not get swept up in the "project fear" aspect that comes with it. Immediate market reactions as a means to asses this specific strategy is pointless. Short-term market behavior have never been a good indicator on long term economic policy tbh. I have no doubt in my mind my positions will be recovered in a year or two too.

Over any long term duration stocks will go up - as for the duration, who knows. 2007-2013 was a long period I lived through an experienced. This is different, but it's also unique in that we are in uncharted waters. I can wait and see but the impact of tariffs are already hitting my business.

I want to be clear - I am not in project fear mode. I'm in the 'this was entirely predictable, will cause more harm than good, and this is not the way to conduct business on the world stage' mode, with a dose of anger that I have to experience Trump's orange-angry-face and correspondingly orange statue-of-liberty-sized middle finger being cranked up in the face of our closest allies. There will be serious repercussions for the USA long-term as a result of this simpleton's bonkers asinine strategy, created without any real semblance of a plan one can measure success against. What we saw yesterday was, as Tanis put it, theater for his base.

As to his other argument comparing this to Nixon's big shock - both are globally disruptive events, but Nixon's move was about monetary policy - not tariffs. We saw last time around the effect of tariffs, and they weren't positive. Neither was Smoot-Hawley. And neither will these. Glad you are sleeping easy through this. Mine and my wife's business are immediately affected.

Lastly, some years ago I attended a big even in SF hosted by the Australian gov't. It's a gathering that happens both sides of the water (every year I think). The Australian ambassador went through a long history what we call 'mateship'. Where we've fought together, our history, and how closely we are aligned. I'd never really understood that history with Australia. But there is similar history with the UK, Canada, Germany, France and Israel. And others. They have stuck with us and fought with us despite our numerous mistakes. And I think they stuck with us through orange man mania v1.0 because they suspected or hoped it would only be four years. And it was thank goodness. And things went back to normal, ish. We were on track to have a soft landing and inflation was reducing. Now, trump and his middle finger are active and in the process he's decided to stick that bronzed finger into our allies eyeballs and a bit in to their brain for good measure. You think this won't damage those relationships? Think again.

I think most Americans, and certainly most in this admin, do not hold reverence and respect for these allies and what they have done for us historically. Has the USA paid more in these relationships than our allies? Certainly. But we also got to hold the cards, and enjoy the influence. And the soft power. You may find we have lost a great deal of that soft power recently and I think this is overlooked by the average American - who let's face it - generally has a very limited view of what is going on globally.
 

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It was hilarious and terrifying seeing USA stocks fall in real time during his announcement of the tariffs. I lost like $1,500 from my 401k, but yeah, it's wild to see no movement there year to date lol
Look up a concept called Dollar cost averaging and look up ETFs as well. At least yours isn't bad try losing $250,000 of your life savings using Crytocurrency then we will talk.

Watching my investments tank is surreal. Dow almost down 15% since just weeks ago. Surely though, the off-chance RFK is effective at changing the health outlook of Americans makes this pain worth it right? And the situation in Palestine is much better? And the ceasefire and pressure with Russia is working too? And companies will be reinvesting in American manufacturing in short order b/c the goals and metrics around these tariffs are clear and well defined, right? And there is sufficient timeframe for them to do so without grievously harming American firms and established trade? And there's certainty around the policies that would lead to companies investing in a way that is predictable? It's not like we have examples from 7-8 years ago re: tariffs to give us insight into what might come to pass. I wish we did. So much winning afoot, it's hard to know where to begin today.
The situation is Palestine is terrible on both sides.

This is an interview from 1987 and he has been fighting for Tariffs since then.

 
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Jetflag

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as for the duration, who knows. 2007-2013 was a long period I lived through an experienced. This is different, but it's also unique in that we are in uncharted waters. I can wait and see but the impact of tariffs are already hitting my business.
curiousity here, (you mentioned ai before) but what actually is your business? I'm in marine-civil contracting as a daytime job & architecture for my own one man company.