Conservative or liberal (politics)

[Progrez]

Just like how a lot of people boycott MAGA businesses when they're found out to be MAGA (Website For MAGA-Friendly Businesses Backfires As People Use It For Boycotts), and just like how people boycotted Target for rolling back DEI policies (Target’s DEI Fallout: How Much Did the Boycott Really Cost?), I think it's fine to shut down Stephen Colbert's show if the owners of the company want to gain political favor. Sometimes, capitalism isn't the end-be-all; even if this show has decent ratings and makes good profit, it's still in the best interests of the owners to be on good terms with Trump.

"The consequences of your actions" aren't just for conservatives. They *also* apply to liberals. In this administration, no one should take their job for granted if they decide to take a political stance.

Canadians are banning American products. When was America great at any stage? I mean from what I have observed every decade they have not had anything go their way by any means. They've had a lot of gun violence, Civil Wars, Slavery, Political corruption, Wars 1 and 2, Iraq Wars, Great Depression, Vietnam War, Korean War, Cold War. Even during the American revolution during the 1700's it was a war between the US and UK they were never great to be honest. I mean sure it's contributed a lot towards technology and space and they themselves reduced slavery and advancement in money power etc etc




I asked ChatGPT for it's opinion and this is what it gave me

My Opinion (Balanced)​

America has never been “great” for all its people at once. But it has shown the potential for greatness — when people challenge the system, not conform to it. Examples:

• The Civil Rights Movement.
• Whistleblowers exposing government abuses.
• Grassroots tech innovation.
• Immigrant success stories despite the odds.

But it’s wrong to glorify the past as if it was morally upright — that’s historical amnesia.

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Summary​

You're not wrong to say America has been shaped by violence, war, and inequality. But to say they’ve “never had anything go their way” would ignore:

• Their rise to global superpower status.
• Their soft power in culture and technology.
• The internal push for reform and progress by ordinary citizens.

So “greatness” depends on who you are, what you value, and how you define it. The U.S. is a country of contradictions — brutality and brilliance, oppression and opportunity — often coexisting at the same time.

 

[Jetflag]

Agreed, if you as a business decide to become political or ideological, fine. Just know you are by virtue of that inherently divisive and might lose customers.

Concerning Stephen, If he is half the entertainer his proponents claim he is, he should be more then able to set up shop with his own pod or vodcast somewhere. Worked great for Carlson, and it comes across as more honest imo.

 

[Jetflag]

When was America great at any stage? I mean from what I have observed every decade they have not had anything go their way by any means.

Name me, by that set of criteria *any* country that has m8

but I’ll name you one, they went from a set of colonies to the world hegemon in terms economy, military and weltanschaung/ philosophy in the span of a century.

that’s pretty darn impressive.

 

[dmgtz96]

Canadians are banning American products. When was America great at any stage? I mean from what I have observed every decade they have not had anything go their way by any means. They've had a lot of gun violence, Civil Wars, Slavery, Political corruption, Wars 1 and 2, Iraq Wars, Great Depression, Vietnam War, Korean War, Cold War. Even during the American revolution during the 1700's it was a war between the US and UK they were never great to be honest. I mean sure it's contributed a lot towards technology and space and they themselves reduced slavery and advancement in money power etc etc




I asked ChatGPT for it's opinion and this is what it gave me

That has nothing to do with what I said

 

[dmgtz96]

Agreed, if you as a business decide to become political or ideological, fine. Just know you are by virtue of that inherently divisive and might lose customers.

Concerning Stephen, If he is half the entertainer his proponents claim he is, he should be more then able to set up shop with his own pod or vodcast somewhere. Worked great for Carlson, and it comes across as more honest imo.

The owners can also more or less do whatever they want. They *should* be concerned about fiduciary duty, but generally, political goodwill has as much impact as keeping a profitable part of your business. Tesla benefitted well from when Musk briefly gained Trump's favor, even if Tesla's business ventures were on their way to failing.

 

[Jetflag]

on their way to failing.

Not really failing though is it? More like balancing out. Tesla stock has been rising since 2023 q2 after which it remained fairly the same per year, it’s not dipping nor rising.

 

[dmgtz96]

Not really failing though is it? More like balancing out. Tesla stock has been rising since 2023 q2 after which it remained fairly the same per year, it’s not dipping nor rising.

They've seen reduced sales YoY while the electric vehicle market is growing. The salute basically lost all European customers except for maybe in Norway. This is also why Tesla is expanding to India - Indians *love* the technology in Teslas, and Indian-Americans are some of the more common Tesla drivers in the US.

Cybertruck was also a massive flop.

 

[Progrez]

That has nothing to do with what I said

Fair point. I see what you're saying about media consequences and political stances. I wasn't trying to derail that. My point was more about the broader pattern: throughout U.S. history, from wars to policy shifts, power has often been used not just economically, but to shape public perception and suppress dissent. Canceling a show for political favor, even if it's profitable, seems to follow that long-standing trend, it's not just "capitalism," it's systemic.

So when I questioned America's “greatness,” I meant that this kind of maneuvering isn’t new. Whether it's media, corporations, or foreign wars, the lines between politics, profit, and suppression have always blurred. That’s what I find troubling. it’s not just one administration or one party, it’s a recurring pattern

 

[Jetflag]

Canceling a show for political favor, even if it's profitable

But it’s not profitable and that’s why it’s being cancelled. Sorry, but this whole idea that jeff bezos, especially given his own (rather woke) political disposition trying to get a white foot with trump who allegedly pressured him over jokes made on the late night show sounds to me like nothing more then a bit of a blue anon

 

[dmgtz96]

Fair point. I see what you're saying about media consequences and political stances. I wasn't trying to derail that. My point was more about the broader pattern: throughout U.S. history, from wars to policy shifts, power has often been used not just economically, but to shape public perception and suppress dissent. Canceling a show for political favor, even if it's profitable, seems to follow that long-standing trend, it's not just "capitalism," it's systemic.

So when I questioned America's “greatness,” I meant that this kind of maneuvering isn’t new. Whether it's media, corporations, or foreign wars, the lines between politics, profit, and suppression have always blurred. That’s what I find troubling. it’s not just one administration or one party, it’s a recurring pattern

Out of curiosity, did you get most of this from ChatGPT? It doesn't read like something a person (or you) would write, but instead it feels artificial and generated from an LLM.

 

[Progrez]

Out of curiosity, did you get most of this from ChatGPT? It doesn't read like something a person (or you) would write, but instead it feels artificial and generated from an LLM.

 

[Progrez]

But it’s not profitable and that’s why it’s being cancelled. Sorry, but this whole idea that jeff bezos, especially given his own (rather woke) political disposition trying to get a white foot with trump who allegedly pressured him over jokes made on the late night show sounds to me like nothing more then a bit of a blue anon

Jeff Bezos doesn't have much power though even though he maybe rich mother fucker. I wonder what happened to the $24 million that they are loosing if we count the $14 million CBS/Paramount had to pay Trump. Now, he is suing Rupert Murdoch for over $10 billion and Murdoch was a supporter of Trump over the whole Epstein thing, it's such a mess.

 

[dmgtz96]

Nailed it

 

[LostLegend]

Vance made a brief trip to Montana to speak to Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch, AP sources say

Vice President JD Vance has made a brief trip to Montana to meet with media mogul Rupert Murdoch, his son Lachlan and a group of other Fox News executives.

apnews.com

So JD Vance had a lunch meeting with Satan’s representative on planet Earth (Rupert Murdoch) and his son a week ago, then all of a sudden the WSJ (A Murdoch owned newspaper) starts publishing bombshells on Trump’s connection to Epstein…

https://www.wsj.com/politics/trump-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-letter-we-have-certain-things-in-common-f918d796

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-attorney-general-told-trump-that-his-name-is-among-many-epstein-files-wsj-2025-07-23/

Could it be that JD, Peter Thiel’s dark apprentice, is having a go at the old ‘House of Cards’ ?

I’m sure JD “couldn’t possibly comment”

 

[dmgtz96]

Vance made a brief trip to Montana to speak to Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch, AP sources say

Vice President JD Vance has made a brief trip to Montana to meet with media mogul Rupert Murdoch, his son Lachlan and a group of other Fox News executives.

apnews.com

So JD Vance had a lunch meeting with Satan’s representative on planet Earth (Rupert Murdoch) and his son a week ago, then all of a sudden the WSJ (A Murdoch owned newspaper) starts publishing bombshells on Trump’s connection to Epstein…

https://www.wsj.com/politics/trump-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-letter-we-have-certain-things-in-common-f918d796

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-attorney-general-told-trump-that-his-name-is-among-many-epstein-files-wsj-2025-07-23/

Could it be that JD, Peter Thiel’s dark apprentice, is having a go at the old ‘House of Cards’ ?

I’m sure JD “couldn’t possibly comment”

IMO, this is exactly what Trump deserves: being ousted by his own people.

Vance is significantly smarter than Trump and is legit an evil genius. He's the kind of person the US needs to get us out of the mess Trump put us in.

 

[Progrez]

NSFW Trump is naked in this lol it's hilarious South Park is gold

Trump says he doesn't like anything artifical. Has he looked at his wife recently? Like a botox blow up barbie doll

 

[Jetflag]

Could it be that JD, Peter Thiel’s dark apprentice, is having a go at the old ‘House of Cards’ ?

Well.. come to think of it.

trump’s term will end after these 4 years by virtue of the US constitution anyways. 4 years is a short time to reshape the country the way trump intends…

Now imagen JD being seen, at the end of that, not as a loyal unthinking lapdog but the guy who:

1: “saved Maga” from Trumps (alleged) corruption by et tu Brutus’ing him

and 2: as someone choosing principals/ honestly over Tribe at least..by the swinging blue’s.

now take into account that he’s not a geriatric, born and raised working class, a family man, politically well spoken, served, and charismatic in speeches if he needs to.

and the dems having, what? To put up against that…

it wouldn’t at all surprise me that this is an act for the long run, and trump is in on it.

 

[Progrez]

 

[dmgtz96]

Well.. come to think of it.

trump’s term will end after these 4 years by virtue of the US constitution anyways. 4 years is a short time to reshape the country the way trump intends…

Now imagen JD being seen, at the end of that, not as a loyal unthinking lapdog but the guy who:

1: “saved Maga” from Trumps (alleged) corruption by et tu Brutus’ing him

and 2: as someone choosing principals/ honestly over Tribe at least..by the swinging blue’s.

now take into account that he’s not a geriatric, born and raised working class, a family man, politically well spoken, served, and charismatic in speeches if he needs to.

and the dems having, what? To put up against that…

it wouldn’t at all surprise me that this is an act for the long run, and trump is in on it.

I don't think Trump is genuinely in on it. The oligarchs realized Trump is too fucking stupid and *will* tank the economy if allowed to proceed with his tariffs. They are trying to get rid of him as soon as possible.

 

[Jetflag]

I don't think Trump is genuinely in on it. The oligarchs realized Trump is too fucking stupid and *will* tank the economy if allowed to proceed with his tariffs. They are trying to get rid of him as soon as possible.

I think they would have, and have tried that before.. but we’ll see. You might be right.