Jef Karlen - Here I Am [Avena Records]

Pokkryshkin

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Friend, your work lacks originality and a distinct authorial style. If you cannot express your unique style in it, then why engage in music at all? Hundreds of thousands of songs that sound similar to each other are released every day. As a listener, I want to hear you, Jef Karlen, in the music, not a collection of templates.
 

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Friend, your work lacks originality and a distinct authorial style. If you cannot express your unique style in it, then why engage in music at all? Hundreds of thousands of songs that sound similar to each other are released every day. As a listener, I want to hear you, Jef Karlen, in the music, not a collection of templates.
you're talking to a label that released it here, not the producer

and from the label perspective it's lack of proper quality control and ambitions, common issue in a nowadays scene where everything is so easy and accessible that it becomes pointless

sometimes I wish there'd exist some kind of strict licensing for the labels based on the quality of the releases to filter out those signing anything and everything to gain probably like a dollar per track but if there are 100 tracks, that's already $100.

and here such labels meet producers who are struggling of the same - no self quality control, no ambitions or abilities to improve their craft
 

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Hi,
Here TH3 ONE owner Avena Records.
Reading your crap, I can only say this: who are you and where are you in the music scene that you think you can judge the producers from my label negatively?
Show me your releases. Show me your quality.
I’ve released music on the best trance labels in the world, and I know what’s good and what’s not.
You two are absolute nobodies when it comes to music production, with zero achievements, yet as always, you have the most to say.
Send me your work to my email so we can all have a laugh.
 

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I may be deaf, but you are as stupid as the rest of the people writing here. If you don’t produce music, then shut your mouth along with your friends and stop embarrassing yourself in the comments. If you’re so opinionated, I repeat: send me with together with your friends, your productions and the labels you’ve released on.And write exactly who you are, do not hide behind fake accounts.Are you a coward and lack courage?
 

Pokkryshkin

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you're talking to a label that released it here, not the producer

and from the label perspective it's lack of proper quality control and ambitions, common issue in a nowadays scene where everything is so easy and accessible that it becomes pointless

sometimes I wish there'd exist some kind of strict licensing for the labels based on the quality of the releases to filter out those signing anything and everything to gain probably like a dollar per track but if there are 100 tracks, that's already $100.

and here such labels meet producers who are struggling of the same - no self quality control, no ambitions or abilities to improve their craft
I know, addressing Jef Karlen, this is just me thinking out loud… All great producers have their own style that’s what makes a musician successful and recognizable. This is my opinion, and the aggression from Avena Records is not quite understandable. But the track is indeed very templated
 

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I may be deaf, but you are as stupid as the rest of the people writing here. If you don’t produce music, then shut your mouth along with your friends and stop embarrassing yourself in the comments. If you’re so opinionated, I repeat: send me with together with your friends, your productions and the labels you’ve released on.And write exactly who you are, do not hide behind fake accounts.Are you a coward and lack courage?
Ok now you convinced me. It’s a great track. Right up there in the ranking with the best classic trance tracks ever.
 

Progrez

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Friend, your work lacks originality and a distinct authorial style. If you cannot express your unique style in it, then why engage in music at all? Hundreds of thousands of songs that sound similar to each other are released every day. As a listener, I want to hear you, Jef Karlen, in the music, not a collection of templates.
That kick drum is terrible, vocals are current ASOT type terrible, sounds like future trance. But what do I know? I am studying classical piano music from Beethoven, Mozart, Prokofiev, Bach, Tchaikovsky and dance music on the side and I have been listening to music for over 30 years. He does produce look up the AI productions thread.
I may be deaf, but you are as stupid as the rest of the people writing here. If you don’t produce music, then shut your mouth along with your friends and stop embarrassing yourself in the comments. If you’re so opinionated, I repeat: send me with together with your friends, your productions and the labels you’ve released on.And write exactly who you are, do not hide behind fake accounts.Are you a coward and lack courage?
Cool story bro That post is actually a reflection of yourself. Since you seem to be so opinionated. Just because people don't know the techniques or terminologies doesn't mean they are not allowed vent their views.

But, if you want actual producers then I will ask the following people who actually do produce and give their views. @Julian Del Agranda @Jetflag @facade1984 @Sneijder @Narel @Coredata @Magdelayna @Love Nation @GeorD @Altair


This is terrible too some EDM garbage

 
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facade1984

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I wouldn't have commented unless I was tagged in but here goes. Self taught producer of over 25 years here, first can I say that I reject the premise of not being able to give feedback if you aren't a producer yourself. (That goes for everyone except day sleeper because he always says the same thing about percs being robotic so we just ignore him). After all regular non-technical folks should be your label's main target audience no? Yeah I know everyone's a "producer" these days because they paid someone to make a track for them but that shouldn't be the focus

To play devil's advocate I also don't see "this tune offers nothing unique" as valid feedback either for 2 reasons. 1. Why should all music have to and 2. You've let folks like askew, o' Callaghan and the zillions of Dave Parkinson clones get away with using the same sounds for decades, so let's not be hypocritical

Lastly I'm not feeling this one but it's not my kind of trance at all. I largely do stuff akin to Joof which I'd say is at the opposite end of the spectrum to this

A surprisingly level headed response from me so if you found the above TL;DR then I'll just say this shit gahbage fam
 
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Julian Del Agranda

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I could write the story again how all these tracks use the same type of kick, or point towards the unsurprising use of 16th note pluck arpeggio… 😘

But people will call me and other users here haters or whatever so I’ll let this one go? 🤣
 

Narel

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Hi,
Here TH3 ONE owner Avena Records.
Reading your crap, I can only say this: who are you and where are you in the music scene that you think you can judge the producers from my label negatively?
Show me your releases. Show me your quality.
I’ve released music on the best trance labels in the world, and I know what’s good and what’s not.
You two are absolute nobodies when it comes to music production, with zero achievements, yet as always, you have the most to say.
Send me your work to my email so we can all have a laugh.
Don’t start this fuckin bollocks. A person doesn’t need to know how to make music to provide an opinion on it. You put it out into the world and people are going to like it, or not. You also posted this on a discussion forum; narcissistic naivety to think that everyone is going to jizz their undies over it. Fucking grow up.
 

facade1984

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Yeah good point, this seems like a case of toxic positivity - not everything in music is smiles and hugs, not every set you play out qualifies as "smashed it" and not every tune you make is "bangin M8"

Except for me I'm perfect and beautiful
 
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Jetflag

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Show me your releases. Show me your quality.
Since I’m tagged here:

my releases and B1G L4Bulz can be found on Discogs under the “Aerium” moniker

Your release is a semi decent hamburger as far as fast food goes.

@Pokkryshkin ’s critique is constructive and valid, the rest are just hating, which they’re allowed to do, and you are very much free to hate them back for that.
 
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Arnoud

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I may be deaf, but you are as stupid as the rest of the people writing here. If you don’t produce music, then shut your mouth along with your friends and stop embarrassing yourself in the comments. If you’re so opinionated, I repeat: send me with together with your friends, your productions and the labels you’ve released on.And write exactly who you are, do not hide behind fake accounts.Are you a coward and lack courage?
Nice comeback. I am convinced. I'll stop commenting further, good luck on your endeavors with the great Avena Records!
 

Altair

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Hi there! I'm a self-taught producer of almost fourteen years (years I've been producing, not breathing). I'm admittedly not the most consistent, and some members of this forum gave me some constructive criticism on my most recent remix, but you judge for yourself how much of a wannabe, talentless hack I am:


I have to admit, I don't spend too much time on here any more because I too am sick of the negative attitude of a whole bunch of aging trance puritans, who have nothing better to do than shit on anything that deviates from a very narrow definition of the 90s glory days - even now that some types of trance are actually starting to evolve away from the overly commercialized and sanitized form of it back to its ravey roots. I've missed out on way too much good music because people on here told me that it was "trousey" or "commercial" or whatever. But to each their own, and thankfully I can still find releases and artists on here who produce or can recommend some of the sounds I'm looking for.

You @Avena Records , on the other hand? You sound like this guy:



Your song is meh. I don't hate, nor do I love it, because there is too little there to garner an emotional reaction from me. However many big-name DJs might play this track today, I would almost bet money they won't be playing it again in one month. And the problem indeed comes from the fact that, because you're using almost the exact same sounds that everyone else is, there's nothing here to really pique my interest - and I say that as someone who can and does enjoy template-driven trance every once in a while if the melody or vibe is good. There's a melody here and a vibe here, but it doesn't gel with me. That's not a bad thing - other people may love your song! And as I said, the reaction here often is too negative.

But I decided a long time ago that I never wanted to be a template producer, who'd make cookie cutter music that I'd find boring if someone else made it. So I did the work of learning my own sound design - the remix above does have some Ableton presets and preexisting loops and one-shots, but I ended up edited or tweaking most of them anyways. And my other tracks also have custom sounds that I slaved over using either hardware or Ableton stock plugins, rather than chucking a bunch of money at Serum and the Hottest Preset Packs. It may not be perfect, but it's my sound, and that's worth more to me than however extensive a resume on Big Labels you might have is.

But shit talking like how you are does often mean that it isn't satisfying you deep down. If that's the case, then that's a "success" that no one should ever want. Make what you will from that information.
 

Julian Del Agranda

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a very narrow definition of the 90s glory days
Your post is great but this part isn’t right though.

The big difference between now and then is that if you dive into trance from 1996-2007 you’ll find a MUCH wider range of sounds, the drums used, the rhythms of melodies, etc. It’s not a narrow definition, but a very wide one. There was hundreds of ‘ideas’ with various producers being so good that you’d instantly hear it was them, even though they did not recycle sounds at all.

In contrast to what we have had now for the last decade, where 1 idea forms 80% of our scene (the template hard kick rolling bassline small clap 16th note arp female adlib type). With an extreme form of recycling too. People just use the exact same kick sample in various tracks. No, not a “similar styled kick”, I literally mean the exact same sample. And that goes for bass, fx, synth choice.

The problem isn’t a narrow view of ‘us old listeners’ at all. The problem is today’s producers - who are also “old males” btw. They lack the time (family, fulltime job), talent, and motivation to explore the 99 other ideas and possibilities, and all end up with the extremely narrow range of ideas we have now.

Facade said: do producer need to invent? Is that a must? No, the answer is no. It would be nice though, if producers tried 1 of the other 99 ideas that are hardly ever done by anyone. There are sooo many possibilities, you don’t have to invent, just for once… select a different clap… try to draw a melody that is not 16th pluck notes, to begin with…
 
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