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TRANCEBLASTER

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Heavy, serious music doesn't align with this. If it needs time to understand or is an acquired taste, they'll likely pass on it. This could also explain why neo-rave is a rising "genre", and trance responded with those short superfast euro-dancey tracks.
I don’t have the slightest clue whether your statement is true or not.... right now, psychedelic, spacey 'Techno' is extremely popular on European techno stages—artists and labels like 'Space Drum Meditation', 'Fur:ther Sessions', 'Human Space Machine', or 'Qilla Records', 'Electric Shapes' etc.... many forum members would probably argue that their tracks are long and uneventful, but this particular sound is currently leading the scene...


the superfast Euro-dance stuff is popular at commercial festivals, where someone like 'Guetta' might be performing on the adjacent stage. I wouldn't take it so seriously; people love it precisely for the cringe factor
 

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I don’t have the slightest clue whether your statement is true or not.... right now, psychedelic, spacey 'Techno' is extremely popular on European techno stages—artists and labels like 'Space Drum Meditation', 'Fur:ther Sessions', 'Human Space Machine', or 'Qilla Records', 'Electric Shapes' etc.... many forum members would probably argue that their tracks are long and uneventful, but this particular sound is currently leading the scene...


the superfast Euro-dance stuff is popular at commercial festivals, where someone like 'Guetta' might be performing on the adjacent stage. I wouldn't take it so seriously; people love it precisely for the cringe factor
I take back my comment. Totally forgot that part. Their sets have lots of long classic tracks. But how did that happened. Do the promotor pushing out parties until it works?
 

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I take back my comment. Totally forgot that part. Their sets have lots of long classic tracks. But how did that happened. Do the promotor pushing out parties until it works?
'Techno' is a club mainstream all over Europe, with the UK being perhaps the only exception where it's not quite the case. when I first hit the dancefloors in the late 90s, industrial, monotonous 'Techno' was trending... artists like 'Regis', 'James Ruskin', 'Christian Wünsch', or 'Inigo Kennedy' for an example. the biggest hit back then was 'Speak To Me' and people still go crazy to this day whenever someone drops it. since then, the character of 'Techno' has naturally evolved every five years :: moving from the days when no samples or melodies were allowed, through techno with latin influences, all the way to melodic techno with speak samples. right now, this spacey, atmospheric 'Techno' is what's trending, but I think it's a very natural progression.. in the next again something new will come
 
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it’s interesting, almost strange, to see that you view 'Trance' as streaming music, because I think of it strictly as club music....
Interesting that you say that because I can guarantee you I never went to a club not even once in my entire life. I just don't like the idea of it.

I did go to some open air festivals though, but I very rarely if ever heard Trance in any form there.

I did hear some Euro and Dream Trance classics from the 90's in some Water-themed places and activities like hydro-gymnastics and Aquaparks though. I heard Children, 9PM and Better Off Alone in places like those.

I also remember hearing some other Trance classics on the radio even before I became a Trance fan in late 2008. I remember Kaycee - Escape being played on the radio or some events of the time back when I was a little kid.

But, for the most part, Trance Music has always been a personal at home, walking and sometimes running activity. Actually I could not care less about clubbing or festivals, for the most part. In fact, I've always liked Trance because it has always worked really well outside the club/festival scene.

And I can guarantee you as well that Trance has always been way more than club music. I remember tracks like Drifting Away or Take Me Away being played as radio songs, in fact, back in the 90's and for a great part of the 2000's there were many compilation series like Dream Dance and Future Trance which would include mostly radio edit version of Trance tracks although not exclusively Trance tracks. Streaming is just a natural extension of that. And considering how for the most part the so called "original version" a.k.a. the current edited version tends to have far more streams than the extended mixes show Trance like many other genres are streaming music. Thinking of Trance Music and Electronic Dance Music as a whole as "strictly club music" is actually incredibly reductive in many ways.

But, as for the topic itself, for the most part this isn't wrong. Unfortunately attention spans have dropped significantly in the last few decades. This is mostly the algorithm and social media's fault. Unfortunately this has permeated into music too. Nowadays people want easy quick dopamine fixes. Sometimes they don't even make the track run until the end, and this is something I've noticed happening since as early as 2016. I remember seeing people skipping a track after the main chorus happened which would probably be after 1:15 or something like that, which was extremely annoying to me because I was enjoying a certain track and then all of a sudden they skip to the next one. So, as you can see, this trend is actually older than one would expect.

And even I myself have become somewhat a victim of this as well. Long gone were the times when I would regularly listen to 10min long Trance and Progressive tracks on a regular basis. Even I myself admit to be somewhat a victim of this as well.

Plus, we have to have something in mind: Some extended mixes are not even available on streaming services themselves, heck, not even on YouTube sometimes! And even the extended mixes themselves for the most part have become pretty much pointless for the most part nowadays. The only thing they do is add some build-up before the important/relevant part of the track and then a quick outro to it. For the most part the extended mixes only serve as DJ-friendly tools and pretty much nothing else these days.

In my case, I'm not a huge victim of the algorithm myself because I like to search for music on my own, although the algorithm does give me some recommendations. But, for the most part, I just see what my favourite artists have released on Spotify and I do look for some algorithm recommendation on YT while trying to look for some new or undiscovered music myself.
 

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Many original mixes of mainstream tracks feels like they could cut at least 1-2 minutes.
 

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Ignoring track length, labels nowadays are actually mislabeling their releases. Original mix means the one the artist originally created. Radio edits aren't the original, regardless if they're called "original mix".

Here's an extreme example:

I guarantee you Allan didn't make the "Original Mix" first only to then extend it into the "Extended Mix". He'd have made the one labeled "Extended Mix" first and then shortened it (twice apparently).

But yeah, sucks that tracks are getting shorter since it's all about maximizing plays and money.
 

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Interesting that you say that because I can guarantee you I never went to a club not even once in my entire life. I just don't like the idea of it.
well, you must be from a completely different generation. for my generation, going to a club was like going to church for someone else. it was the absolute hottest thing of our time... there were posters all over the streets, and radio stations ran contests for event tickets... for me, listening to music only at home or through headphones is unacceptable.. it's simply not enough..

I heard the best music of my life right there in clubs. our local scene was quite strong, and we were lucky to have great local DJs, thanks to whom I can say I got into better music right away. a lot of people from my high school used to go to clubs, too.. in my hometown I had plenty of friends among punks and hip-hoppers who also strongly supported their own scenes.

every now and then, you could hear some great music late at night on the radio, or sometimes you'd get your hands on a compilation or magazine with CD, but the absolute best and most cutting-edge music was, without a doubt, in the clubs...

when I listen to new releases, I usually imagine how they would affect me in a club.)

I did hear some Euro and Dream Trance classics from the 90's in some Water-themed places and activities like hydro-gymnastics and Aquaparks though. I heard Children, 9PM and Better Off Alone in places like those.

I also remember hearing some other Trance classics on the radio even before I became a Trance fan in late 2008. I remember Kaycee - Escape being played on the radio or some events of the time back when I was a little kid.

I have nothing against the era when 'Trance' was commercially successful, but it is important to note that all those popular tracks were released with the backing of giant major labels like 'Universal Music' or 'Sony Music'. without their support, I believe 'Trance' wouldn't have become so massive. once these labels lost interest in the genre, it fell into sterility.

for me, for instance, 'Trance' became increasingly weak after 2004. the basslines started to become, let's call it, asexual, and the melodiousness of some tracks had the vibe of a romantic movie broadcast on TV on a sunday afternoon.

since you started with Trance in 2008, you grew up on completely different music than I did, and you probably understand it differently, too
 
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To me streaming is clearly the main the driving factor, and the death blow to extended mixes. As already mentioned, it's because shorter tracks give you more money. It's a shame, because although trance in the club is special, it also has a very special place at home, for the introspective experience. There is nothing more I love than sitting on the train, looking at the window, and letting it wash over me.

Attention span must also play a role. It is not debated that our attention spans are being damaged by short-form content and the worlds constant distractions. It has degraded, so surely there will be a downstream effect on content we make and content that gets naturally elevated.

Interestingly I would like to see the club mix return. That used to be common, and give us the harder, danceable or more anthemic version of the track. Maybe the steroid and uplifting producers of today need to remember this and start making 'original mixes' alternative for their tracks, which are the more softer, balanced and thought provoking versions...
 

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Do they? You get paid by the amount of streams,now how long a track is...
He means because of playing the song multiple times. You can play a 2 minute track 5 times in 10 minutes.

Songs are made to leave you on a ‘high’, not quite done with the song. You’ll play it again.
 
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He means because of playing the song multiple times. You can play a 2 minute track 5 times in 10 minutes.

Songs are made to leave you on a ‘high’, not quite done with the song. You’ll play it again.
Shorter songs are more repetitive . I wouldn't play it straight after no matter how good it is . Extended mix gives more options for repetitive listening and mixing and you forget about the beginning of the song by the end of it because of is length.
 

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He means because of playing the song multiple times. You can play a 2 minute track 5 times in 10 minutes.

Songs are made to leave you on a ‘high’, not quite done with the song. You’ll play it again.

Well that philosphy works with catchy commercial pop songs - but im trying to understand how that translates to instrumental Trance - putting a catchy riff or something in the first 30 seconds haha?
 

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He means because of playing the song multiple times. You can play a 2 minute track 5 times in 10 minutes.

Exactly, shorter track length increases stream count, and therefore revenue. An hour album with twelve 5-minute tracks, or one with seven 8-minute tracks. 70% increase in listens over the same period.
 
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well, you must be from a completely different generation. for my generation, going to a club was like going to church for someone else. it was the absolute hottest thing of our time... there were posters all over the streets, and radio stations ran contests for event tickets... for me, listening to music only at home or through headphones is unacceptable.. it's simply not enough..

I heard the best music of my life right there in clubs. our local scene was quite strong, and we were lucky to have great local DJs, thanks to whom I can say I got into better music right away. a lot of people from my high school used to go to clubs, too.. in my hometown I had plenty of friends among punks and hip-hoppers who also strongly supported their own scenes.

every now and then, you could hear some great music late at night on the radio, or sometimes you'd get your hands on a compilation or magazine with CD, but the absolute best and most cutting-edge music was, without a doubt, in the clubs...

when I listen to new releases, I usually imagine how they would affect me in a club.)



I have nothing against the era when 'Trance' was commercially successful, but it is important to note that all those popular tracks were released with the backing of giant major labels like 'Universal Music' or 'Sony Music'. without their support, I believe 'Trance' wouldn't have become so massive. once these labels lost interest in the genre, it fell into sterility.

for me, for instance, 'Trance' became increasingly weak after 2004. the basslines started to become, let's call it, asexual, and the melodiousness of some tracks had the vibe of a romantic movie broadcast on TV on a sunday afternoon.

since you started with Trance in 2008, you grew up on completely different music than I did, and you probably understand it differently, too

To give you as much context as possible in a not too long text:

I was sixteen when I fell in love with Trance. I had already heard many Trance tracks before and I really loved the sound, but I didn't actually know it was Trance.

Before that I was into a lot of different music genres and artists. When I was really young I would listen to a lot of mainstream pop music of the time, t.A.T.u. were probably first group I actually fell in love with back in 2003. Then I went to my New Age/Adult Contemporary era in 2004-2005 in which I would listen a lot of artists like Vangelis, Mike Oldfield, Vanessa Mae, Bonnie Tyler, Enya, Maggie Reilly and few others. Then I went through my Anime era in 2006-2007 in which the music I would listen the most would be partly Anime Music from the Animes I would watch back then like Sailor Moon, Ojamajo Doremi, Kaleido Star and especially Captain Tsubasa (the original 1983 TV series, the films and the OVA's, which I still watch these days) and I would listen a lot to t.A.T.u., of course.

Then in 2008 I started listened to even more different music, I would listen to Enigma, Delerium and Madonna, for example, and many of these artists had many Trance remixes of their tracks like ATB Remix for Enigma's "Push the Limits", all the Trance remixes of so many Delerium tracks like the extremely well-known timeless classic "Silence" remixed by DJ Tiësto, Airscape, Above & Beyond and so many others, and, of course, Madonna had many Trance remixes of tracks of hers by producers like Above & Beyond and Paul Oakenfold, but the most well-known of one of her tracks is Above & Beyond's remix of What It Feels Like For A Girl.

Then in September 2008 I started listening to many remixes produced by ATB, one of them was of Rank 1's "Airwave" and on September 21st of that I listened to the full original mix of that track and that was the moment I became a Trance fan.

Now, to give you even more context:

As I've said before, I was sixteen back then, so even if I wanted to go clubbing I wasn't old enough for that. And important context: Trance, at least the more commercial/mainstream form of it never really took over here.

While Armin was winning DJ Mag's number one DJ Award year after year, people barely know who he was. The only Trance DJ they more or less knew back then was Tiësto and the only track they actually knew of him was that god-awful "Adagio" cover. I mean, I remember back in 2004 or something like that some ads playing "Lethal Industry" so they probably would know that track even if they didn't know the title of it nor who was behind it, and back in the early 2000's Safri Duo's "Played A-Live" would be played many times on my school, and I always had goosebumps back then, and I still do to this day. ❤️

So, yeah, even if I would want to go to a club, Trance was nowhere the be found, forget it.

In 2008-2009 most of what I would listen in Trance were the classics and then in 2010-2011 I started paying some attention to new Trance music, although the classics would be more prevalent on my listening sessions.

So, yeah, everything you're telling me, I genuinely can't understand it. I mean, if it were the Netherlands or Germany maybe I would understand that, but keep in mind, this is Portugal I'm talking about. Everything that comes here comes late. Did you know that raves only somewhat started happening in Portugal in the late 90's? No, I'm not joking, this is how late things come to Portugal, and rave culture was one of the things that arrived quite late here.

And, once again, I never actually pictured Trance has club music. Trance music for me was above all "escape music". Because my life was not very spectacular back then, and Trance music with all the emotions, the melodies and the overall feeling of it was what made me have a more interesting life, you know?

I also don't understand what you mean by "asexual". Trance music has never ever been about sexuality to me, it has been mostly about the emotions and the overall feeling of it. And I was barely a sexual person back then, even to this day I'm not that much sexual, in fact, it annoys me conversations about that topic. (BTW, a bit off-topic, but every time someone here asks about "the whereabouts of the girls" I get so annoyed. Really, just control yourselves, you're not sixteen anymore)

But, yeah, if anything, it gave me a closer and more personal relation to the music itself without the negatives of the club/festival culture because if it were just "club music" or "festival music" I wouldn't care much about it.

For me, Trance music is about the feelings and the journey. And it that regard, Trance probably excels like no other genre of music.

But, I have to admit: These days I listen to way less Trance than I used to listen to in 2008-2011. It's not that I don't listen to some Trance tracks and even Trance sets from time to time, but I grew a lot, and I realise Trance made much more sense back then because of my general mentality and state of mind than it does nowadays because things change and I changed.

Of course, if you ask me, if there was any other genre that made me feel that emotional, has had the most impact in me and had made me fall in love with the most, of course I will always say Trance Music, but, nowadays, Trance Music is the kind of music I listen from time to time, but it's not longer my main thing, I have to be honest.