AI, procedural generation and other new music technologies - What does the future of music hold?

[marvas]

although I spend a bit of time putting these together, at the end I don't feel that I "own" them. It's like they are made by magic and I barely stir the direction. Increments of 30 seconds of trial and error.

I do like this one though:

 

[Progrez]

This is Paul van Dyk it's interesting he actually plays around with the stems of the track using the computers

 

[Progrez]

Something has been announced

Music labels sue AI song generators Suno and Udio for copyright infringement

Software steals songs to ‘spit out’ similar tunes, lawsuit says, asking for $150,000 a work in compensation

www.theguardian.com

 

[psyclone1976]

Every Melody possible is already released into the public domain, this was just done with an algorithm.

Musicians Algorithmically Generate Every Possible Melody, Release Them to Public Domain

Damien Riehl and Noah Rubin generated and saved every possible melody to a hard drive, then turned it back around to the commons.

www.vice.com

 

[Pokkryshkin]

I wanted to make this soulless machine write something in the spirit of 2006 of the old Enhanced Recordings, Coldharbour Recordings, Electronic Elements. Not everything is perfect, but it definitely can do something.

BiboranTV - Way Back (Progressive Trance) | Udio

Listen to Way Back (Progressive Trance) by BiboranTV on Udio. Discover, create, and share music with the world. Use the latest technology to create AI music in seconds.

www.udio.com

 

[Pokkryshkin]

Some vocal material, idk, I planned to make a trance out of it, but AI suggested a continuation after the break part in the breakbeat style BigBoss228 - Autumn Leaves (Vocal Progressive Breaks) | Udio

 

[Progrez]

 

[Progrez]

I wanted to make this soulless machine write something in the spirit of 2006 of the old Enhanced Recordings, Coldharbour Recordings, Electronic Elements. Not everything is perfect, but it definitely can do something.

BiboranTV - Way Back (Progressive Trance) | Udio

Listen to Way Back (Progressive Trance) by BiboranTV on Udio. Discover, create, and share music with the world. Use the latest technology to create AI music in seconds.

www.udio.com

Autumn leaves is not bad but the vocals need some work. I asked it to create a track like JS16 and I must say I am surprised it did give the intro as that. Way back also sounds good haha it's shocking and sad that AI can make better sounding music.

https://soundcloud.com/amay-434239923%2Fdriftloader-part-2

 

[Progrez]

The plaintiffs seek damages up to $150,000 per work infringed. The lawsuit against Suno is filed in Massachusetts, while the case against Udio’s parent company Uncharted Inc. was filed in New York. Suno and Udio did not immediately respond to a request to comment.

US Record Labels Sue AI Music Generators Suno and Udio for Copyright Infringement

The Recording Industry Association of America and record labels allege that the leading AI music generators trained on their artists’ work without permission.

www.wired.com

$150,000 per work how will they determine how many tracks there are in the platform?

 

[marvas]

I am either very biased or it seems to me that quite a few of the new tracks I'm hearing lately are done using AI. Are you guys aware of any tool that might identify music generated by AI?

In the meanwhile, here is something I did with the help of Udio and then edited in GarageBand:

 

[Julian Del Agranda]

In my opinion, AI tracks usually sound a bit muffled. As if you downloaded a 128 kbps mp3 version on Kazaa. The beats mainly, sound artifacted.

I don't think there are (good sounding) trance tracks completely made by AI currently. You could easily use it for melodic inspiration though. But I don't think it's technically there to just.... put it out there.

 

[Pokkryshkin]

Yes, the instrumentation of AI at least UDIO is quite limited and it is already easy for me to determine its sound, at least in the genre of electronic music, it is mainly given by the bass part. I've even already heard a track from a beatport that was 99% generated by UDIO. Maybe now there's even more of this there, I don't often go to this site.

 

[Progrez]

First Criminal Case Involving Artificially Inflated Music Streaming
Damian Williams, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and Christie M. Curtis, the Acting Assistant Director in Charge of the New York Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), announced the unsealing of a three-count criminal Indictment charging MICHAEL SMITH in connection with a scheme to create hundreds of thousands of songs with artificial intelligence and use automated programs called “bots” to stream the AI-generated songs billions of times. SMITH fraudulently obtained more than $10 million in royalty payments through his scheme. SMITH was arrested today and will be presented before a U.S. Magistrate Judge in North Carolina.

U.S. Attorney Damian Williams said: “As alleged, Michael Smith fraudulently streamed songs created with artificial intelligence billions of times in order to steal royalties. Through his brazen fraud scheme, Smith stole millions in royalties that should have been paid to musicians, songwriters, and other rights holders whose songs were legitimately streamed. Today, thanks to the work of the FBI and the career prosecutors of this Office, it’s time for Smith to face the music.”

North Carolina Musician Charged With Music Streaming Fraud Aided By Artificial Intelligence

Damian Williams, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and Christie M. Curtis, the Acting Assistant Director in Charge of the New York Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), announced the unsealing of a three-count criminal Indictment charging...

www.justice.gov

https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-carolina-news/north-carolina-musician-arrested-accused-of-artificial-intelligence-assisted-fraud-caper/

North Carolina musician arrested, accused of Artificial Intelligence-assisted fraud caper​

He could be getting 60 years in prison? That's crazy!!

 

[TwinSilo]

He could be getting 60 years in prison? That's crazy!!

They are making an example. This problem is going to be a floodgate sooner or later. He got greedy and took 10 million worth of royalties. Madness. But spotting 10,000 bucks is going to be a lot harder and everyone will be having a go. What stops a real musician right now paying some dude in Vietnam to farm his tracks for a percentage of the fees? Nothing at all.

 

[Hensmon]

Time to fire up the ai bots for TF Recordings then! @Jetflag prepare for 200 million streams for Paracosm by the end of the year.

 

[Magdelayna]

AI tracks only appeal to the producers who just cant cut it or break through....its all just so fake....how would anyone be satisfied with having a finished AI track and saying it was them - its beyond me.

 

[Pokkryshkin]

An AI music generator can also be a good source of ideas and inspiration for producers. In fact, quite often you can get a good sample and, having proper sound skills, use it as the basis for your own track. Probably everyone has a creative crisis when you sit down to do something and have zero ideas, it can serve as a good tool. It's the same as being inspired by someone else's track and doing something of your own, I think. Actually, I don't mind tracks using AI, as long as they sound good to me, I don't care who wrote them, human or AI. Sometimes I use this tool to create and hear music what I want to hear, but I can't find it because almost no one composes it these days )). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, anyway I'm having some fun. But I don't treat these tracks as my own, for me it's the same as listening to the work of overs producers. I'm not a producer, and I think about it like an ordinary music listener. I tried to make my own music a long time ago and it turned out quite unsuccessfully

 

[Progrez]

AI tracks only appeal to the producers who just cant cut it or break through....its all just so fake....how would anyone be satisfied with having a finished AI track and saying it was them - its beyond me.

It taught me some words or things I would not have learned from say a person or something I cannot find it in a book because let's face it producers/djs have big egos especially in the music industry and they don't want to disclose certain ways of producing tracks. Personally, for me the AI stuff I've generated sounds cheesy but it sounds anything that I hear on current ASOT. It has also inspired me to get my own producing studio in the future when I find a well paying job.

 

[Progrez]

In my opinion, AI tracks usually sound a bit muffled. As if you downloaded a 128 kbps mp3 version on Kazaa. The beats mainly, sound artifacted.

I don't think there are (good sounding) trance tracks completely made by AI currently. You could easily use it for melodic inspiration though. But I don't think it's technically there to just.... put it out there.

That's because you need a premium account to get the WAV versions of the tracks. They sound pretty good better any asot stuff.

 

[marvas]

An AI music generator can also be a good source of ideas and inspiration for producers. In fact, quite often you can get a good sample and, having proper sound skills, use it as the basis for your own track. Probably everyone has a creative crisis when you sit down to do something and have zero ideas, it can serve as a good tool. It's the same as being inspired by someone else's track and doing something of your own, I think. Actually, I don't mind tracks using AI, as long as they sound good to me, I don't care who wrote them, human or AI. Sometimes I use this tool to create and hear music what I want to hear, but I can't find it because almost no one composes it these days )). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, anyway I'm having some fun. But I don't treat these tracks as my own, for me it's the same as listening to the work of overs producers. I'm not a producer, and I think about it like an ordinary music listener. I tried to make my own music a long time ago and it turned out quite unsuccessfully

there is a very good point in here. The biggest fan of the tracks that I made with AI is…me! Many times I manage to obtain from AI what I can no longer get from the current producers or from the radio, songs that sound like something made in the early 2000s maybe with a bit of a modern twist. I like to listen to them on the headphones on my way to work or in the car. I’m sure all the plays I see on youtube are mine.

I don’t feel like these songs belong to me, it’s just something that I could obtain from the internet after many tries. What Magdelayna mentions is also true, I don’t have the talent, knowledge, tools and time to do them from scratch.

Also, worth mentioning, I don’t promote them. I either share them here with you guys or show them to friends as a curiosity if the topic ever comes up. But all in all form me it’s fun. Sort of a “build your own adventure” experience, but with music instead of books.