Andrew Senior - Voices (Including Enigma State Remix) [Premier League Recordings]

[DazTC]

You don't want to replicate the past, but instead enhance it using modern production techniques.

Enigma State is literally all about replicating the past, producing the old ways with analog equipment to give us fully authentic sounding tracks that could have been released back in those times, whilst at the same time putting his own stamp on things of course.

It's why we teamed up in the first place with In My Fantasy / Enigmatic as we wanted to deliver more of what we considered to be those sounds from the 'good old days'.

'Enhance' is of course subjective to what you consider to sound good in the first place, but I'd think and hope that Driftmoon will do a decent number on the mastering side of things here.

Additionally whilst I'm not a fan of the sort of stuff released on Premier League Recordings generally, I do think it's pretty awesome to see them feature/support a much older type sound from Enigma State and I'm certainly all for much more of this sort of thing.

We just need every new release to have an Enigma State Remix as standard to keep us old 'stuck in the past' type folks happy

 

[dmgtz96]

Enigma State is literally all about replicating the past, producing the old ways with analog equipment to give us fully authentic sounding tracks that could have been released back in those times, whilst at the same time putting his own stamp on things of course.

It's why we teamed up in the first place with In My Fantasy / Enigmatic as we wanted to deliver more of what we considered to be those sounds from the 'good old days'.

'Enhance' is of course subjective to what you consider to sound good in the first place, but I'd think and hope that Driftmoon will do a decent number on the mastering side of things here.

Additionally whilst I'm not a fan of the sort of stuff released on Premier League Recordings generally, I do think it's pretty awesome to see them feature/support a much older type sound from Enigma State and I'm certainly all for much more of this sort of thing.

We just need every new release to have an Enigma State Remix as standard to keep us old 'stuck in the past' type folks happy

tfw when you're told you're wrong by the tranceclassics guy

Fine, I shouldn't have assumed Enigma State's inentions. At the same time, I really don't see the problem in having Driftmoon master the track. It makes zero difference to me.

 

[skyriderz]

Classic work again , loving this

 

[Magdelayna]

You have to trust that Driftmoon will do a good job with this track.

Not only that, but also: you (& Mag) don't know Enigma State's intentions with the revived '90s sound. My impression of Enigma State has never been that he wants to replicate the sound exactly as it was back then. It's his take on the old sound, his vision, and if he wants to team up with Driftmoon to make the sound in his head exist, I'm all for it.

The producer doesnt choose who masters tracks - the label employs Driftmoon to master all their tracks. There was nothing wrong with the mastering on 'In My Fantasy' ...im guessing Nath did it himself,as hes trying to nail that late 90's sound. Bringing in Driftmoon to master that style is only going to make it worse....and loud. But its what the modern labels want nowadays...its a loudness war.

 

[Daysleeper]

He will def try to "ENHANCE" every frequency/sounds in there. Its not like he's going to not try to master it more closely to his own work.

 

[Freezer]

Driftmoon knows what he is doing and knows the purpose of the track, there is not chance he will make it more steroids for example. Just listen to the Hydra album he mastered, clean as f*ck

 

[EnigmaState]

Hey all, just to clear up some questions and comments

So Driftmoon is the choice of the label for mastering. Standard practice with labels.
Myself personally I have high respect for Juraj (Driftmoon) and his mastering, and as commented he does work for some of the biggest names on the scene.
I have since some comments on this gone back over the master and asked for the it to be looked at again to make sure it isn't over done and hit hard with the limiter.
I myself am not a mastering engineer and it's common practice in music that the mastering is done by someone who has the knowledge and experience.
In My Fantasy/Enigmatic wasn't mastered by me either.
I have complete faith in him though. I've seen what his studio is like and uses some absolute gold hardware.

As for the classic sounds, it is my interpretation of the classic sound and I can't guarantee every track will be 100% there but as close as possible.
I know myself as a listener that one artist isn't going to do great track after great track. Some will like one but then not be in favour of the next. It's just how it is.

But the comments on this have been positive overall which I'm pleased about. Rest assured the end product on this will be fine

 

[EnigmaState]

@Daysleeper Just for a sanity check about the white noise - ive had the master relooked at its been sorted and its PERFECT now
Specifically asked for the old skool treatment!

 

[Motion]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the mixdown which determines the quality of sound, such as balance, richness, if that kick is hard, soft, large, thin etc. The producer is the one who is responsible for how oldschool it can or cannot sound, via this mixdown. Mastering has less accountability, using compressors and limiters that will effect the track, but not as much as mixdown. It's about preparing for distribution across multiple formats/sound systems.

 

[EnigmaState]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the mixdown which determines the quality of sound, such as balance, richness, if that kick is hard, soft, large, thin etc. The producer is the one who is responsible for how oldschool it can or cannot sound, via this mixdown. Mastering has less accountability, using compressors and limiters that will effect the track, but not as much as mixdown. It's about preparing for distribution across multiple formats/sound systems.

To an extent yes, the end mixdown should determine the end product and the mastering should just tighten it up, but you can also demolish a track at the mastering stage too with one tool, the limiter.
Soon as you get to the limited value, the limited will just squash anything down that hits that limit value threshold. And the more you keep pushing the limiter the more distrotion you're applying which gives off that white noise effect.
It's partly the reason why alot of modern trance has so much white noise, it's being crunched far too much.

 

[Magdelayna]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the mixdown which determines the quality of sound, such as balance, richness, if that kick is hard, soft, large, thin etc. The producer is the one who is responsible for how oldschool it can or cannot sound, via this mixdown. Mastering has less accountability, using compressors and limiters that will effect the track, but not as much as mixdown. It's about preparing for distribution across multiple formats/sound systems.

The mastering guy can ruin a track,by making things too loud or harsh. I once had a chilled trance track released by a label,their mastering guy put a god damn sidechain on my pads when my original didnt even have one!

 

[Hoahoa]

Great sounds, cant wait to hear the full version

 

[EnigmaState]

Enigma State Remix available now at Bandcamp.


Bandcamp exclusive first and then hits Beatport/Spotify/Apple etc in 2 weeks

*Artwork nothing to do with me lol.

 

[Hensmon]

Damn at first I pressed the play button on that BC sample, not knowing it was the original playing first, and started to get very worried haha. If I were you i'd click into your track and post that link when sharing.

Thankfully yours sounds a million times better in comparison to the others. Will give a few more listens till I form a proper opinion but liking it so far, although not as much as your originals maybe.

 

[EnigmaState]

Damn at first I pressed the play button on that BC sample, not knowing it was the original playing first, and started to get very worried haha. If I were you i'd click into your track and post that link when sharing.

Thankfully yours sounds a million times better in comparison to the others. Will give a few more listens till I form a proper opinion but liking it so far, although not as much as your originals maybe.

Whoops haha. Just updated the link.

 

[Jetflag]

Hate the artwork
love the track
As for Juraj/Driftmoon, As someone who's currently on laptop/headphones only I sort of have to resort to external engineers for the final thing. He did Something More for me and the result was excellent.

 

[Archon]

Oh yes, this sounds very good. The sounds are there, everything is there...yet I kinda want something to make it really special. It's probably down to details for me, but this is still an absolutely awesome track. 2004 ASOT sound, have to love that.

The master sounds great too. In fact, really authentic.

 

[Daysleeper]

A bit too simple for me this time :/

didnt get hooked, i also hear the more modern way of handling the synths here, and its not to my liking. its too sharp and clean. in fact the whole production sounds like its compromising to much with modern way of producing/mastering and it becomes this hybrid of modern/old which i dont like. almost sounds like the modern airscape tracks from a few years back, masteringwise.

 

[DazTC]

A bit too simple for me this time :/

didnt get hooked, i also hear the more modern way of handling the synths here, and its not to my liking. its too sharp and clean. in fact the whole production sounds like its compromising to much with modern way of producing/mastering and it becomes this hybrid of modern/old which i dont like. almost sounds like the modern airscape tracks from a few years back, masteringwise.

I mean it's no In 'My Fantasy' , but I think it's a very solid remix with a 2004 (or thereabout) sound to it. That gated melody that filters in around 4m 22 or so I love too and it elevates things a level or two.

I think this was more of a fun project for Nath' here taking a modern 'steroid' Trancer and working in reverse, creating a de-make/mix of sorts if you will with an older feel to it, but I'm a fan of the end result and completely disagree with you on the mastering.

We just need all new releases to have these retro style remixes accompanying the originals now and I'll be happy here.

 

[Juna]

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