OUT Arksun & Hodel - Eternity [Flashover Trance]

[Atragun91091]

Never thought I’d see Arksun again(or hodel for that matter). I’m actually really enjoying this. Definitely has that 2010 vibe. A year that was very fond to me trance wise. I also kind of appreciate the more simple approach. Makes it much more easy to listen to.

 

[Daysleeper]

forgotten and buried already...

such a same @Arksun

 

[Hensmon]

Man Daysleeper you have an odd attitude sometimes. So a guy comes back into the scene to release music he loves but should be ashamed because he doesn't hit standards that 95% of artists are not hitting right now? Ever heard of getting back into the swing of things? It's not a bad effort. Its not even bad, but yes its that basic 2010 type of sound. So is the attitude unless you go into the studio and make a 8/10 or more track then don't bother even showing people? Just go back and try until you return back into the golden era headspace and form you had before?

 

[Daysleeper]

Man Daysleeper you have an odd attitude sometimes. So a guy comes back into the scene to release music he loves but should be ashamed because he doesn't hit standards that 95% of artists are not hitting right now? Ever heard of getting back into the swing of things? It's not a bad effort. Its not even bad, but yes its that basic 2010 type of sound.

I was reading this and realised I migh have had an odd attitude and might have been harsh...

But then I read this:

So is the attitude unless you go into the studio and make a 8/10 or more track then don't bother even showing people? Just go back and try until you return back into the golden era headspace and form you had before?

And realised well YES, this is the thing!! This is was what pro graff painters tell noobs. Draw more, before you go out and paint on the walls/trains etc. Why release everything you make???

But i often go hard on tracks on first listen, so I might be a little harsh yes. But you already know that

Just listened to the track again. Its not too bad I agree. My final rating is a 6/10. Thats even being a little generous.

 

[Hensmon]

And realised well YES, this is the thing!! This is was what pro graff painters tell noobs. Draw more, before you go out and paint on the walls/trains etc. Why release everything you make???

There's a fundamental difference and that is music is the one profession where experience and practice does not equal better outcome. You can make the best track you ever made at 17 yrs old and then at 45 fire blank after blank, even with more theory, production knowledge, etc.

Its a complete paradox or human phenomenon, I don't know. Music is the hardest thing to make in the world, complex variables involving human psychology at minimum, plus some unquantifiable understanding of the arrangement of vibrations/frequencies, all of which within a shifting context of what society deems to be acceptable, relevant, cool etc. Its not about effort or desire or skill. Isnt that obvious? 100's of producers everyday trying hard for the best, yet we can see clearly its not happening.

 

[Daysleeper]

You high?

Or am I ? Because all of a sudden it feels like im a member on a forum for psycadelic music.

 

[Hensmon]

We need to cut artists some SLACK. Even the sell-outs (just). The idea that achieving greatness in art and doing that consistently is rare is not an 'out there' kind of thinking As I said you just have to look at musicians and output it's obvious.

 

[Archon]

Yeah and Laurence himself has had a health scare, could've lost his hearing a few years ago.

 

[Propeller]

There's a fundamental difference and that is music is the one profession where experience and practice does not equal better outcome. You can make the best track you ever made at 17 yrs old and then at 45 fire blank after blank, even with more theory, production knowledge, etc.

Its a complete paradox or human phenomenon, I don't know. Music is the hardest thing to make in the world, complex variables involving human psychology at minimum, plus some unquantifiable understanding of the arrangement of vibrations/frequencies, all of which within a shifting context of what society deems to be acceptable, relevant, cool etc. Its not about effort or desire or skill. Isnt that obvious? 100's of producers everyday trying hard for the best, yet we can see clearly its not happening.

This is an excellent point. I would expand on this by saying that in music there is a general presumption, possibly a cognitive bias among listeners, that what is current and modern will somehow by default be better than what came before it. This belief might be true in all genres but I think it's even stronger in electronic music because there is more emphasis on the technology and equipment use to create the sounds, which in theory should get better all the time, and less emphasis on the vocals.

I know from my own experience when I first started listening to trance it didn't even cross my mind to start listening to the trance which came before it because somehow I just assumed that it must be inferior and irrelevant and that modern equalled better. But here's where this links to your point. Music is about emotions, engaging the emotions, always has been and always will be. It is made from emotions and is considered good when it connects with others and engages the emotions of others. Therefore to make such music you have to be in the right emotional state yourself, have that inspiration and frame of mind.

That's why it doesn't follow that someone like Arksun should automatically be making music of the same standard now as he did when in his prime. It's not really about the equipment, experience and production methods, providing a basic level of technical proficiency and mastering is achieved and the sound is clear and listenable. Trance has had this basic level of sound mastering since the early 90s so some old tracks can sound better than most modern ones. Ultimately it's about the ideas, emotions and the message you're able to convey, which depends on the person and the state of mind they're in.