Vini Vici - The Tribe [2015]

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Vini Vici
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The Tribe
Label name
Iboga Records
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2015

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And from the moment this was released, the trance scene changed forever.
This is what gave rise to psytech in mainstream trance.

 

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This isn't trance though. You can't hear any trance like sounds just that boring monotonous bass drum and some random squelchy sounds thrown in here and there. Oh and some chanting.
 

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This isn't trance though. You can't hear any trance like sounds just that boring monotonous bass drum and some random squelchy sounds thrown in here and there. Oh and some chanting.
It's mainstream psytrance / "psytech" / big room psytrance. Lots of people don't think it's psytrance, and lots of people from the trance side don't think it's trance either.
Bryan Kearney played it in 2015, so both groups are going to deal with it and accept that it's a combination of trance + psytrance. The fact that it's boring, monotonous drum with squelchy sounds and chanting does not take away from the fact that it is... trance.
 

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It's mainstream psytrance / "psytech" / big room psytrance. Lots of people don't think it's psytrance, and lots of people from the trance side don't think it's trance either.
Bryan Kearney played it in 2015, so both groups are going to deal with it and accept that it's a combination of trance + psytrance. The fact that it's boring, monotonous drum with squelchy sounds and chanting does not take away from the fact that it is... trance.
No it's not. You define a track by the way it sounds not by who plays it or calls it trance.
 
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I disagree, the trance communities can decide if a track is trance or not. By and large, Vini Vici's style is trance.
The same trance communities who think that steroid trance and ASOT are what trance is about... I don't think so. In no parallel universe is this trance. You need a new name for it.
 
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The same trance communities who think that steroid trance and ASOT are what trance is about... I don't think so. In no parallel universe is this trance. You need a new name for it.
WAO138 type trance is trance. It may not be good, and it's very different from the '90s Platipus or heyday stuff, but it is... along with the Solarstone type "Pure Trance."

Lots of people don't think it's psytrance, and lots of people from the trance side don't think it's trance either.

I disagree, the trance communities can decide if a track is trance or not. By and large, Vini Vici's style is trance.

^ the above sounds like a contradiction, but it really isn't. Sure, lots of people on both sides think this isn't trance/psytrance, but the overall trance community (ex. festival goers, ASOT listeners) do think it is
 

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Why are you posting stupid tracks just because they are popular though? You usally have decent taste ;)

Can we not keep this forum clean of and somewhat credible? instead of posting stupid tracks in the classics section, create a topic in the main section perhaps. I would really stress to keep it clean. theres so many other places that keeps on fucking it up.
 
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Hate this sound. Maybe long ago you could link this to trance with an atmospheric element or two, some lush chords, softer synths or something. But now, this? A genre of its own, not trance in my opinion...not even close.
 
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Why are you posting stupid tracks just because they are popular though? You usally have decent taste ;)

Can we not keep this forum clean of and somewhat credible? instead of posting stupid tracks in the classics section, create a topic in the main section perhaps. I would really stress to keep it clean. theres so many other places that keeps on fucking it up.
This was intentional in response to the JOC Big Sky thread, lol

Hate this sound. Maybe long ago you could link this to trance with an atmospheric element or two, some lush chords, softer synths or something. But now, this? A genre of its own, not trance in my opinion...not even close.
The problem is that Vini Vici and Armin milked the heck out of this sound. Had it remained underground, The Tribe would be actually kinda cool to hear today. Bryan Kearney's set at ASOT 700 pushed it to the forefront of the trance scene, and the rest is history.
Vini Vici were always in it for the $ and fame, anyhow. Their Sesto Sento project was also watered-down psytrance and extremely commercial.
 
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Ah you little troll, you! @dmgtz96

I still don't think it sounds cool even disregarding the popularity argument, this was made just for the bros at events. Hate the modern psy sound, super punchy kicks, bass triplets and such. Vomit. As with uplifting, it has become a parody of itself.

So @Daysleeper should we also remove any ambient, house or techno, or just the things you don't like?

I mean I hate this as well, but I won't delete it. If you want to discuss psy, debate whether this is trance or not, I could move it to Music Discussion, under a modified title, if everyone agrees. We try to encourage quality over quantity, but I'm not sure how we can enforce it. And believe me, us admins/mods had more than a few long debates about it.
 
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Not really thought about the removing thing. But my toughts for the track:

In my opinion this really shouldn't be posted in this section at all. Not because it's not "trance". It's just aweful if you'd put this in line with many great classics in this section (well mainly the pre-2008 one... but still). I mean, it doesn't even have a melody ;)
 
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So @Daysleeper should we also remove any ambient, house or techno, or just the things you don't like?
Im just talkign about the classic section and the only wish I have is please keep it authentic and classy here. Arent you in agreement? We are not posting ambient/house or techno releases here on purpose. Its not really a bad idea or unreasonable to have people thats been in the game for awhile being able to alter/remove tracks that isnt qualified imo. Im just talking about the "classic" sections now.

I know its not really a big deal, but at the same time it is, haha.
 
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Ah you little troll, you! @dmgtz96

I mean I hate this as well, but I won't delete it. If you want to discuss psy, debate whether this is trance or not, I could move it to Music Discussion, under a modified title, if everyone agrees. We try to encourage quality over quantity, but I'm not sure how we can enforce it. And believe me, us admins/mods had more than a few long debates about it.
Up to the forum. I just wouldn't want it to be deleted because one or two people don't like it or think it's "not trance."
 

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Yeah yeah I agree with the three of you. This shouldn't have been posted really, but now that it has, I'm not thinking about deleting it.

All we can do is encourage less of this (and more of other stuff) through discussion.
 
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Yep Daysleeper I feel you, would be good to keep this as clean and quality as possible. This one is too far removed from Trance and also not very good really, even though its popular. I will delete ones like this from now on. Shame on you dmgtz96 for sullying the section with this filth.
 
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It's mainstream psytrance / "psytech" / big room psytrance. Lots of people don't think it's psytrance, and lots of people from the trance side don't think it's trance either.
Bryan Kearney played it in 2015, so both groups are going to deal with it and accept that it's a combination of trance + psytrance. The fact that it's boring, monotonous drum with squelchy sounds and chanting does not take away from the fact that it is... trance.
Absolutely right most of full on psy-trance these days is just a beat on repeat with some effects going here and there and majority of psy trance fans love it.

Why are you posting stupid tracks just because they are popular though? You usally have decent taste ;)

Can we not keep this forum clean of and somewhat credible? instead of posting stupid tracks in the classics section, create a topic in the main section perhaps. I would really stress to keep it clean. theres so many other places that keeps on fucking it up.
Thats your opinion not the whole forum, I actually enjoy some of Vini Vici stuff and have seen them live.
 
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