Bobby Summa
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HeyYour birthday? Oh FFS you did tell me and I forgot...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY buddy
No worries dude. Cheers
What's on your mind today?
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No worries dude. Cheers
Jetflag
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She got me too for fathersday, just not quite like thatAh
It’s actually my birthday mate.. she got it for me
anyways, congrats bud
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Bobby Summa
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Ouch!She got me too for fathersday, just not quite like that
anyways, congrats bud
Bobby Summa
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See link above (photo below is small section)
History of genres/styles of Electronic Music. See above for full link and diagram
Really quite interesting the detail here and some interesting genres I’ve never heard of. Agrotech? In 1997, hmmm missed that one…Brostep in 2008… im feeling very proud to never have heard of these….McProg 2010… what the fuckety fuck??? (Do ya want fries with that?
)I feel like googling to see if these particular genres are a wind up but I’ve no reason really .
Thankfully though it’s got loads of great old styles/genres and foundations of electronica
…mostly there’s some interesting nostalgic lesser known styles one used to talk about around the kitchen table in the 90s
@TheTranceHistorian may be of interest. Although I Can’t confirm accuracy
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TheTranceHistorian
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Thankfully though it’s got loads of great old styles/genres and foundations of electronica
…mostly there’s some interesting nostalgic lesser known styles one used to talk about around the kitchen table in the 90s
@TheTranceHistorian may be of interest. Although I Can’t confirm accuracy
I’ve been familiar with Ishkur’s Guide to Electronic Music for a few years now. As Ish himself puts it, there’s probably no one who understands the entire world of electronic music better than he does — though there are certainly people who specialize more deeply in individual branches, such as electro, Italodance, trance, techno, and so on. Because of this, it’s a great resource for my upcoming book (I even reference it at one point), but at the same time, it should be approached with some caution. One must be aware that there are significant contradictions and inaccuracies in his work when it comes to trance.
For example, he claims that nothing released after 1994 qualifies as proper trance anymore. But that cutoff feels completely arbitrary, especially if what he appreciates is the early hybrid sound infused with acid, techno, and ambient influences. That aesthetic undeniably continued into 1995 in a wide range of trance releases.
It’s also puzzling that he sometimes labels tracks as trance that completely lack the genre’s melodic, euphoric, hypnotic, or atmospheric qualities — and instead fully embrace the cold, mechanical, or even chaotic traits of techno. All this while he enthusiastically references the 1993 Berliner Trance documentary, where Mark Reeder quite clearly outlines what trance is — and the track excerpts featured there strongly contradict some of Ishkur’s own examples.
Then there’s the fact that he places the emergence of tech trance around 1998, even though the genre had already surfaced in 1994 with Solitaire – Chasing Clouds (Free Gliding Mix). Or how he repeatedly emphasizes that The KLF’s early works — such as the instrumental remix of What Time Is Love — are not trance, but proto-trance (which I can fully agree with, by the way). But then he makes the mistake of labeling other, strikingly similar tracks from 1989 and 1990 as trance, even though actual trance music didn’t emerge until 1991.
LostLegend
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I was there again this year. Had a great time despite having to miss the last day (and the Prodigy
) as I couldn’t get the Monday off work.Got to see Alanis Morissette live which was amazing and paid the yearly Glasto pilgrimage to Fatboy Slim as well:
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That’s interesting. Personally I’m quite awful at depicting genres. When I go infront of my studio desk and open my daw to start a new track, I’ve no idea usually what genre il make, ( perhaps trance as a main genre if it’s a trancey vibe day but not what sub genre.
in the 90s i invented (just amongst a small group of friends ) a term called EDM (Electronic Dance Music), to prevent genre confusion because it’s the most accurate name for electronic music with beats and you can dance to it if you do so choose. But this included Orbital / Banco de Gaia / Aphex Twin or any beat based electronica whether it sounded similar or completely different. . Just seemed a nicer more accurate term to IDM and covered much more styles / genres . Unfortunately when in the 2010s the term EDM came out globally I felt pretty miffed due to it being completely different music. A completely misleading acronym / title.
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SleepyBuddah
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Sadly they didn't broadcast it overhere but saw some of the reports and interviews at the festival.I was there again this year. Had a great time despite having to miss the last day (and the Prodigy
Got to see Alanis Morissette live which was amazing and paid the yearly Glasto pilgrimage to Fatboy Slim as well:
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LostLegend
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If you think paying £6.50-7.00 for a pint is expensive, god help you if you ever go to London for a drink!Sadly they didn't broadcast it overhere but saw some of the reports and interviews at the festival.
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TheTranceHistorian
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The case with "progressive" is quite similar. It was never truly intended as a distinct style—and arguably never was one—but rather as an all-encompassing artistic philosophy that underpinned much of the soulful and innovative electronic music of the early '90s. That's precisely why I've always found genre labels like "progressive trance" somewhat perplexing. After all, progression, evolution, and a sense of journey are already foundational elements of trance music. So what makes "progressive trance" any different? That it evolves even more? It starts to feel like a redundant classification, if you ask me. Yet platforms like Discogs recognize it as a legitimate subgenre of trance, while curiously omitting other potentially more distinct ones — like ambient trance or acid trance, for example. By the way, this whole topic of "progressive" is explored quite thoroughly in a recently released Paul van Dyk interview.
And yeah, technically acid, electro, house, trance, and all the other stuff from the early '90s falls under the umbrella of electronic dance music. That's how I use it also.
And yeah, technically acid, electro, house, trance, and all the other stuff from the early '90s falls under the umbrella of electronic dance music. That's how I use it also.
Magdelayna
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I was there again this year. Had a great time despite having to miss the last day (and the Prodigy
Got to see Alanis Morissette live which was amazing and paid the yearly Glasto pilgrimage to Fatboy Slim as well:
The prodigy wouldve been only act id like to see haha! Watching on tv,it just looked mainly like middle class families with kids...surely they dont want to watch rappers etc.
LostLegend
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I’m hear that a lot, but it seems to be people who’ve never been saying stuff like that.
It’s a real mix of different people of all ages from all walks of life. I’m as common as muck and didn’t feel at all out of place
I saw Busta Rhymes, Kneecap and Doechii while there as well, all hip hop acts and the stages were rammed.
SleepyBuddah
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Same here in AmsterdamIf you think paying £6.50-7.00 for a pint is expensive, god help you if you ever go to London for a drink!
Jetflag
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And that’s why I avoid big “popular” metropolitan areas like the plagueSame here in Amsterdam
SleepyBuddah
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Aren't "Westland" and Rotterdam also kinda like a popular metropolitan area?And that’s why I avoid big “popular” metropolitan areas like the plague
TRANCEBLASTER
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'House' music was (and still is) a genre that takes influences from 'Jazz', 'Funk', 'Disco' or 'Soul', the originators of the style were black people in the 'US', mainly 'Chicago' and 'Detroit'.
When guys in the 'UK' and 'Italy' started their first experiments with 'House' music in the very early 90's their final producct sounded alot different than the jazzy 'US' stuff. to not mix up these two music styles, the 'Progressive' tag was made by the record stores. tracks with esoteric trippy atmosphere were automatically tagged as 'Progressive Trance' just to separate stuff for vinyl diggers
check early 'Limbo Records' or 'Hard Hands' labels to understand
it was never about any journey or progression in tracks
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TheTranceHistorian
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SleepyBuddah
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But you don't avoid those placesyeah they are, which is why I don't live there
