OUT Allende - Fate [Pure Progressive]
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ExDuelist
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- Jun 27, 2020
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Well deserved tune of the week. Quality melody, you can tell that a lot of thought has been put into this track.
allende
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Thanks for the support guys! I’m positively surprised by the reception. It’s one of those tracks that had multiple different iterations with many different riffs and sounds. I think I managed to cut out just the right amount of stuff, so it’s not too crowded yet still stays interesting enough.
Tievb21
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Brilliant track!!! I have been listening to this the last days. I really like the build up, great sounds, details, melodies and mastering. Supported on Beatport. ^^
Essence is another highlight of 2020 for me, it's located on my Best of 2020 playlist on iTunes/Music and probably Fate will end up there too. Great job man.
Essence is another highlight of 2020 for me, it's located on my Best of 2020 playlist on iTunes/Music and probably Fate will end up there too. Great job man.
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Daysleeper
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The only thing that im missing is a more kind of dancing interesting bassline and more variety in the rhythms of the whole arrangement and structure. The whole production feels a bit too "bright". Like, i wished for a more contrasty/vivid sound if that makes sense. Its a little one-dimensional and static maybe,rhytmicially, like it stays the same almost the whole track, with little to no changes in the arrangement except for the adding of more atmopherics. Like it just chugs along exactly the same from start to finish. The atmospheric and synths is good but to me the whole production suffer due to this one-dimensional arrangement/structure. I would like a more careful/varied eloborate drum/rhythmic arrangement instead of just building on the same static rhyhtm the whole track.
Its really hard to explain this. Ive always liked trance that has contrasting rhythms and meters. The different elemetns should dance around the kick, all being in different rhythms but at the same time harmonise with the kick/momentum which drives the track forward. There shouldnt be too much going on but not too little either.
And PUMA is really a perfect example of what I mean. So many different rhythms dancing aroudn the kick making it mulitdimensonal. Iactually think this is a very important factor why trance became stagnant and went downhill in the 05-09 period. There were less and less finesse in tracks and tracks became one-dimensional instead of this multidimensonal sound present in tracks such as puma among others. This is something I truly think producers has FORGOTTEN. For realz. Producers started to just paste the melodies on a really boring template drum arrangement, giving no thought to it whatsoever. No FINESSE! Sorry for ranting in this thread, and im not saying your tunes is the worst example of this, far from it, but it surely also suffers a little from this imo. And this is present in most trance subgenres from prog to uplfting really.
Its really hard to explain this. Ive always liked trance that has contrasting rhythms and meters. The different elemetns should dance around the kick, all being in different rhythms but at the same time harmonise with the kick/momentum which drives the track forward. There shouldnt be too much going on but not too little either.
And PUMA is really a perfect example of what I mean. So many different rhythms dancing aroudn the kick making it mulitdimensonal. Iactually think this is a very important factor why trance became stagnant and went downhill in the 05-09 period. There were less and less finesse in tracks and tracks became one-dimensional instead of this multidimensonal sound present in tracks such as puma among others. This is something I truly think producers has FORGOTTEN. For realz. Producers started to just paste the melodies on a really boring template drum arrangement, giving no thought to it whatsoever. No FINESSE! Sorry for ranting in this thread, and im not saying your tunes is the worst example of this, far from it, but it surely also suffers a little from this imo. And this is present in most trance subgenres from prog to uplfting really.
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allende
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Thanks for the feedback! I've been there, where it seems nothing sounds like the olden days and everything has lost what made it so good. Modern trance definitely lacks a lot of good qualities of the past, but I can assure you about half of it is in our heads. The power of nostalgia, a certain sounds that you used to love bringing you back in to those good old times. Wanting music to take a certain direction or to go back to a certain sound when it's not and inability and unwillingness to connect to the where it's actually going.
This track is certainly not one of my most progressive tracks, in terms of arrangement, themes, key changes and time signatures, but I think harmonically it's perhaps above average. Even though the chord progression stays the same there are few different "lead melodies" and additional background riffs on it.
Rhythm and percussion side is something I've had to think about a lot, if you go back to my older songs from 2005-2010 or whatever, they are VERY percussion heavy, to the point that they sound crowded and kinda kill the drive. So in the past years my drums have gone from really processed and crowded, into more subtle, basic 909 based with some organic shakers and such. You can't really just add this and that just because, you have to think about what kinda mood you want the track to bring. Do I want the track to have a shuffle groove or do I want it to be more tight, do I want it to be loose and organic or do I want it to be more electronic and computer like, driving rhythm or groovy rhythm. If I start adding unusual accented 16th note bongo rhythms into a song like this, then I have to think everything else over as well. Straight percussion fits with straight rolling bass line and synths, groovy percussion fits with groovy bass. The problem is when people want something to be what it's not, instead of just appreciating it as what it is.
Thanks for starting a conversation! I hope you give the track another chance another time!
Daysleeper
Lost in Trancelation
I can assure you its not about nostalgia as the nostalgia for me sits the melodies/themes and atmospheres of old tracks, or in certain old equpiment and sounds, not in the strcture,arrangements and time signatures etc. Im over the nostalgia thing since in 2015 maybe. This is me analysing tracks trying to figure out why some tracks is more interesting than others, and here I have come to terms that the best tracks from the old days are always like 9 out of 10 tracks while the best tracks from these days never reach up to even 8 out 10. Best tracks from the "modern" days are like a 7 out of 10. Lets be real here.
It seems that even me as just a trance-listener pick up thing more that producers themselves seem to do. Thats why im saying some things seems totally forgotten in the modern days. I never hear modern tracks ebb and flow so nice as old trance, this rollercoaster of a ride with so much highs and lows etc. Adding and subtracting of rhythms. Adding and removing them subtly throughout the tracks. one or several at a time. Ive heard other mention this journey that old tracks had but no-one has been able to explain what they explicitly mean by that.
Some modern tracks has great melodies,but they lack good arrangement,build, and structure. Some modern tracks have pretty good groove and drive, but lack a good melody. Most of them lack FINESSE! This ride old tracks took us on. Thats why I say they were multidimensional.