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I have 12 Rules For Life and 12 More Rules For Life from Peterson, but I've yet to read them. I quite frequently watch (or used to watch) his videos, one of my most respected public intellectuals.
I like the back & forth he has with Harris, speaking of the new atheist movement.. they’re diametrical opposites, yet seem to be generating answers to difficult and pressing (philosophical) matters and even became close friends through their discussions.

nice example of friction makes polish
 
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Along with intelligence, awareness and a moderate understanding of the human condition (which many people lack) all that I feel is needed from those in significant positions for any system involving humans to work, is care, compassion and good leadership qualities. Then what is needed is a political approach which priorities fairness for its people. This is what will work.
 
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Along with intelligence, awareness and a moderate understanding of the human condition (which many people lack) all that I feel is needed from those in significant positions for any system involving humans to work, is care, compassion and good leadership qualities. Then what is needed is a political approach which priorities fairness for its people. This is what will work.
I would add, a capacitity for long term thinking/vision to that also. Compassion for instance is a wonderful human trait, but if its applied to forms of instant gratification it quickly spirals down to harm. But yeah. Fairness over equality or tradition any time.
 
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I would add, a capacitity for long term thinking/vision to that also. Compassion for instance is a wonderful human trait, but if its applied to forms of instant gratification it quickly spirals down to harm. But yeah. Fairness over equality or tradition any time.
Long term thinking and vision, definately yes. Im a bit lost with how compassion is applied to instant gratification dude? That sounds more like passion.
 
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Long term thinking and vision, definately yes. Im a bit lost with how compassion is applied to instant gratification dude? That sounds more like passion.
A example of applying compassion wrongly would, for my part as a father be for instance: Giving my kids candy whenever they ask for it, instead of it being a genuine reward for something...and cry/ act up when they don't get it.

Sure, they're hurt and feel sad and so there's this instict to be compassionate and just give them the sweets so they're happy and I can pretent i'm a kind and good father but I really wouldn't be.

I would, not only make my children wholly addictive to sugar and bad food but also misshape their caracters in the sense that they don't learn what "no" means in the sight of temptation.
 
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A example of applying compassion wrongly would, for my part as a father be for instance: Giving my kids candy whenever they ask for it, instead of it being a genuine reward for something...and cry/ act up when they don't get it.

Sure, they're hurt and feel sad and so there's this instict to be compassionate and just give them the sweets so they're happy and I can pretent i'm a kind and good father but I really wouldn't be.

I would, not only make my children wholly addictive to sugar and bad food but also misshape their caracters in the sense that they don't learn what "no" means in the sight of temptation.
I know what you are saying. I think the true compassionate thing in the example youve mentioned would be to withhold the candy unless it is merited. But off course given some situations this can lead to mayhem depending on the children. Life I’m afraid is seldom black and white.
 
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I know what you are saying. I think the true compassionate thing in the example youve mentioned would be to withhold the candy unless it is merited. But off course given some situations this can lead to mayhem depending on the children. Life I’m afraid is seldom black and white.
The rule of thumb I apply is: “does it promote wellbeing for the future vs (just) the present?”

or better yet try to apply, lol, God knows there have been moments where I’m like”sure, here’s the fucking candy now shut up!” Heh
 

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Im convinced Sadhguru is not doing things for the interests of other people. Although ive watched many of his videos in the last 14 years, i was never totally convinced of his intentions, but then its silly to believe flatly 100 percent anyone who proclaims such things as he. Il admit at times to feeling blown away by some of his comments (especially) in the early days. And feeling inspired by his very novel approach for a Guru. But there was always this story about him being charged for murdering his wife but getting off claiming she died whilst reaching a form of enlightenment called moksha. A few years ago he made i feel a grave mistake describing certain things you can do with your voice saying something along the lines of “ If you speak a certain way with a certain tone, you can convince anybody of anything,” - That particular time, the actual strange tone of his voice (even for him) and the way he so strangely (even more-so for him) looked at the camera drew huge red flags for me.

The guys dangerous.


 
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