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random hot take, jordan peterson-related:

Incels aren't competing with other men (i.e. "chads") for women's attention. They are competing with the fact that women tend to be happier single than in relationships. Obviously not all women are happier single than when they have a steady boyfriend (or husband), but for the most part these incels have nothing to offer to women other than entitlement and a shitty attitude.
 
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Moving this conversation here, @jetflag


I do, but it rubs me the wrong way that you keep siding with the anti-woke/anti-SJW crowd. Although there are reasons to be frustrated at the woke/SJW crowd, the media you consume in conservative spaces is most likely overblown.
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The reason I (apparently?) do is that Philosophically I am fundamentally anti-cultural Marxism or anti-woke if you will. These cultural streams seek to top-down (culturally or economically) engineer society towards some unobtanable Plato-esq utopia. And I genuinly believe, given the evidence of the experiments with that philosophy so far, that we're going to end up worse of with it. So its not from a place of hatred or racism or edginess or what have you that I am "anti woke". I just firmly disagree that is the right path forward.

Now, that said> That doesn't mean that I think its completely without its Merrits. I agree with Woke (or marx) in that sense that there are fundamental societal problems to point out. My problem with is they way they seek to adress them which always, no exception, ends up exhaserbating the problem/making things worse.

As for conservative media being overblown.. Sure, I agree. It is. Which is why I don't just watch conservative media. We live in an age of post-truth. All-media, including the media you consume, legacy and/or woke media. is overblown (the latter in particular since it has an ideological agenda to propagandate). So my methode has somewhat been - look at it all - distill most common factors - make up your own mind.

Racism in America is very complex - I'm still understanding it myself and should pick up a sociology textbook on that topic, - but if the US were not a racist country, we would have already seen a black female leading character in a fantasy movie. I'm not talking about specific individuals being prejudiced against black people per se, but more of the legal/socioeconomic/financial/urban development structures that prevented someone who looks like Halle Bailey to be a leading actress in a major blockbuster.
This almost reminds me of Jennifer Lawrence claiming she was the first female action hero ever. As a diehard lover of the genre fantasy sci/fi, I can tell you this:

There have been, since the 90's, black female lead character in fantasy/sci-fi movies or series, all over the place.

-the OG Nichelle Nichols,
-Grace Jones alongside Schwartzy (thats an 80's movie even)
-A wrinkle in Time with 3(!) black female leads non the less, (terrible movie, but that aside)
- Danai Gurira & Sonequa martin in The walking Dead
- Gina Torres in Firefly/Serenity
- Kandyse Mcclure in BattleStar galactica
- Naomi Harris in 28 Days Later.

oh and lets not forget , the previously mentioned Blade trilogy/ Wakada francise/The Expanse etc.

So I don't know where you got the idea from that there has never been a black female lead character in a fantasy flick😅, you might not watch a lot of that stuff dunno, But if you got this from, to sling that back to you a bit, media in "your" progressive spaces. then they're on this subject blatantly lying to you.

Also note: Nobody including "thuh toxic fan community", had any problem with those aforementioned ^. there wasn't any backlash infact there was celebration and praise.

The specific problem/backlash there is towards the little mermaid was/is (again) this:

->It is extremely ghoulish to race-cast the opposite of what an existing fairy-tale or story describes purely for ideological reasons. Both from an artistic standpoint as well as being a disservice to said race you wish to uplift<-

Whether that be:

- a paleskinned lead-role in the 2030 Wakanda iteration,
- or a Darkskinned lead-role in a movie about King Aldgisl

The race itself is utterly irrelevant, its the re-writing of history/art (so this is fully excluding original productions, which are again, usually loaded with praise regarding said casting) that people, incl me, have a problem with.

CRT is also a boogie man that your media overlords love to prop up, but in reality CRT is a college/graduate school concept. Shit, I went to college here and didn't learn about it because I was a STEM major and did not take the social sciences course that would have taught it. My point is, CRT is likely not being taught at elementary/middle schools to "make white kids feel guilty."
"my problematic media overlords" that I don't have 😄 Except it is: both the right and left infact agree on this, the latter just think its a great thing.


CTR is build on the same school of thought that birth the communist manifesto and/or various Facist doctrines. Replace the Jew/The German State, and The Bourgoise/The working class with "white people" and "colored minorities" and you have CTR, which is a (logical) extension of CT, formed in the 50's

Well, yeah. Just like cartel members are probably Catholic
Sure.
So this is very interesting, because after you made your first comment about Andrew Tate being Muslim and implied that criticism toward him could be considered "islamophobic," I went ahead and looked up a couple articles/reddit threads about his conversion to Islam. It turns out that, in Islamic faith, Muslims pardon those who convert into their faith, so (in theory) Muslims need to give Andrew Tate a free pass for all the awful things that he's done.
I'm not a Muslim, and as far as I know neither you are, so we can criticize him for being who he is. If I criticize a misogynist, human trafficker Muslim for being a misogynist and human trafficker, I'm not being Islamophobic. That would only be true if I criticized him specifically for being a Muslim. Frankly, I don't care what faith he converts to - he's still a piece of shit human in my eyes.
Anyways, I wasn't sure if you were aware of that part about Islamic faith, which is why I made that comment (which, in hindsight, looks a bit strange without that added context)
I was actually, its a tenet of most abrahamic religions. The idea of absolution/ a fresh start post conversion, and its a very effective way of (ab)using a persons personal guilt against them to make them sign up.

The reason I posted that as a little jab in your direction ;), is, like i said before, its the progressive left (that you seem to be a part of) that is obsessed with minority groups and their (seemingly) endless pool of virtue, as opposed to the (evil) white majority who can do nothing but wrong.

I am more of the opinion (and from what i've read above so are you actually) that it is, in the end, still a matter of the individual you're dealing with.
 
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random hot take, jordan peterson-related:

Incels aren't competing with other men (i.e. "chads") for women's attention. They are competing with the fact that women tend to be happier single than in relationships. Obviously not all women are happier single than when they have a steady boyfriend (or husband),
I'm curious, where do you get the idea from that (most) women are happier being alone, especially in the long run, as opposed to having a partner?

but for the most part these incels have nothing to offer to women other than entitlement and a shitty attitude.
Yup, 100% agree on that part. I stamp incel and incel culture mostly as a bit of natural selection really. Their genes won't make it to the next generation 🤷‍♀️

Jordan seems to be a bit more helpfull in the sense that he's at least trying to encourage (so not berate) them to actually offer something to a woman, and drop the entitlement/shitty attitude so you know. props to him.. I fear it will fall mostly on deaf ears though as evidenced by most incel's reactions to him/ his message.
 
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good plan (y)

The reason I (apparently?) do is that Philosophically I am fundamentally anti-cultural Marxism or anti-woke if you will. These cultural streams seek to top-down (culturally or economically) engineer society towards some unobtanable Plato-esq utopia. And I genuinly believe, given the evidence of the experiments with that philosophy so far, that we're going to end up worse of with it. So its not from a place of hatred or racism or edginess or what have you that I am "anti woke". I just firmly disagree that is the right path forward.

Now, that said> That doesn't mean that I think its completely without its Merrits. I agree with Woke (or marx) in that sense that there are fundamental societal problems to point out. My problem with is they way they seek to adress them which always, no exception, ends up exhaserbating the problem/making things worse.

As for conservative media being overblown.. Sure, I agree. It is. Which is why I don't just watch conservative media. We live in an age of post-truth. All-media, including the media you consume, legacy and/or woke media. is overblown (the latter in particular since it has an ideological agenda to propagandate). So my methode has somewhat been - look at it all - distill most common factors - make up your own mind.


This almost reminds me of Jennifer Lawrence claiming she was the first female action hero ever. As a diehard lover of the genre fantasy sci/fi, I can tell you this:

There have been, since the 90's, black female lead character in fantasy/sci-fi movies or series, all over the place.

-the OG Nichelle Nichols,
-Grace Jones alongside Schwartzy (thats an 80's movie even)
-A wrinkle in Time with 3(!) black female leads non the less, (terrible movie, but that aside)
- Danai Gurira & Sonequa martin in The walking Dead
- Gina Torres in Firefly/Serenity
- Kandyse Mcclure in BattleStar galactica
- Naomi Harris in 28 Days Later.

oh and lets not forget , the previously mentioned Blade trilogy/ Wakada francise/The Expanse etc.

So I don't know where you got the idea from that there has never been a black female lead character in a fantasy flick😅, you might not watch a lot of that stuff dunno, But if you got this from, to sling that back to you a bit, media in "your" progressive spaces. then they're on this subject blatantly lying to you.

Also note: Nobody including "thuh toxic fan community", had any problem with those aforementioned ^. there wasn't any backlash infact there was celebration and praise.

The specific problem/backlash there is towards the little mermaid was/is (again) this:

->It is extremely ghoulish to race-cast the opposite of what an existing fairy-tale or story describes purely for ideological reasons. Both from an artistic standpoint as well as being a disservice to said race you wish to uplift<-

Whether that be:

- a paleskinned lead-role in the 2030 Wakanda iteration,
- or a Darkskinned lead-role in a movie about King Aldgisl

The race itself is utterly irrelevant, its the re-writing of history/art (so this is fully excluding original productions, which are again, usually loaded with praise regarding said casting) that people, incl me, have a problem with.


"my problematic media overlords" that I don't have 😄 Except it is: both the right and left infact agree on this, the latter just think its a great thing.


CTR is build on the same school of thought that birth the communist manifesto and/or various Facist doctrines. Replace the Jew/The German State, and The Bourgoise/The working class with "white people" and "colored minorities" and you have CTR, which is a (logical) extension of CT, formed in the 50's

Have any widespread attacks against white people occurred?
How about the constant attacks and threats upon minorities, LGBTQ+, and legislation calling for "lists" of transgender people (ex. TX)?
Who are the real fascists here, at least in the US?
 

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Have any widespread attacks against white people occurred?
How about the constant attacks and threats upon minorities, LGBTQ+, and legislation calling for "lists" of transgender people (ex. TX)?
Who are the real fascists here, at least in the US?

...and just like that, the skin tone of the majority of LGBTQ+ and transgenders suddenly changed to fit the narrative... :unsure:

The defacto facists, not just in the US but everywhere, Are the one's writing or spreading proto-facist manifesto's or ideologies, like the aforementioned Chrenshaw or Gapiéry or Spencer.

The USA and by extend the GOP are not fascist not by a long shot, ór white supremacist for that matter.

As evidenced by :

-The fact that there, in fact, are hate crimes occuring against whites (Jill LeCroix, Ellingson, the Chicago torture incident etc. ) aswell as them still making up the majority of people being shot. (Though there does seem to be a disproportionate comparative precentage when compared to say: blacks)

-The fact that there are minority groups in the US who out preform and do significantly better then whites (namely Asians and ethnic Jews which you know.. good on them)

-The fact that there are no you know.... mass extermination camps/gulags for said minorities, which sort of always tends to happen when you have a marx based ideology, like fascism, in charge of your country.


PS: ^that reply was all you could write on an almost a4 post spanning multible subjects including (woke) Ideology, Media, black young women in scifi-fantasy, CTR in basic elementary schools, Tate being a degenerate, and islamic doctrine?
 
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PS: ^that reply was all you could write on an almost a4 post spanning multible subjects including (woke) Ideology, Media, black young women in scifi-fantasy, CTR in basic elementary schools, Tate being a degenerate, and islamic doctrine?
I'm getting exhausted of this convo
 
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I'm getting exhausted of this convo
Aight Let’s call it quits for now then. It’s the holiday season in any case so.

thanks for the back & forth in any case m8. These convos get my noggin joggin which is a good training for when your constantly sleep deprived heh.

merry x mas 🙏
 
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Aight Let’s call it quits for now then. It’s the holiday season in any case so.

thanks for the back & forth in any case m8. These convos get my noggin joggin which is a good training for when your constantly sleep deprived heh.

merry x mas 🙏
Merry Christmas!
 
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this is where he belongs and where he should have always been

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A gentle reminder that guilt has to be proven first, and if not proven only will further empower/ embolden him ;)

that said, I love seeing two people I generally despise having beef with one another, and the little girl of the two winning by trolling the hardest 🤣
 
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A gentle reminder that guilt has to be proven first, and if not proven only will further empower/ embolden him ;)

that said, I love seeing two people I generally despise having beef with one another, and the little girl of the two winning by trolling the hardest 🤣
Rumor has it that the org which went for him waited until they had serious ironclad proof to throw him in jail. This is why he stayed free for so long, because the case was being built against him.

Edit: and regardless of what happens, Andrew Tate still wins the 2022 award for the "world's most fragile little man"
 
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I do keep wondering why you always bring him up in the “public intellectuals “ thread.
 

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We used to have a “random” thread on the old trance.nu i remember
We kinda have that with the what's on your mind? Thread, but I don't want to clutter that with stuff about tate or politics
 

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We kinda have that with the what's on your mind? Thread, but I don't want to clutter that with stuff about tate or politics
Oh we did have the what’s on your mind thread aswel there.. the random thread was really more well… random

because now you’re polluting the public intellectuals thread ánd defacto bestowing Tate with that label 😛
 
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Oh we did have the what’s on your mind thread aswel there.. the random thread was really more well… random

because now you’re polluting the public intellectuals thread ánd defacto bestowing Tate with that label 😛
With the way that his stans talk about him, one would think that Tate is an "intellectual" who is being pursued by The Matrix... *facepalm* (to myself)

To keep things moderately relevant, I no longer think that Tate and JP are "the same" given that Tate is an actual criminal being investigated for serious crimes.
 
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Great conversation, been waiting for these two to meet up
 

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I'm surprised you like this one @jetflag. Don't you find Sam Harris a touch insufferable? Really didn't like his political positions i've observed so far and his kind of dogmatic atheism and anti-religion stance also not really a fan of, just lacks an open mind on that topic. His conversational style is also so slow and filled long winded or over complex analogies on a point that could be explained far better, and in a few minutes.

Also in this conversation Huberman misses the point of Sam so many times, going on these long rants, and then Sam has to bring him back.
 
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I'm surprised you like this one @jetflag. Don't you find Sam Harris a touch insufferable? Really didn't like his political positions i've observed so far and his kind of dogmatic atheism and anti-religion stance also not really a fan of, just lacks an open mind on that topic. His conversational style is also so slow and filled long winded or over complex analogies on a point that could be explained far better, and in a few minutes.

Also in this conversation Huberman misses the point of Sam so many times, going on these long rants, and then Sam has to bring him back.
Oh i've been a fan of Sam Harris as an intellectual force, especialy in his expert-field(s) for a decade or so now. His insight on the human brain and metaphysical take on things like conciousness I find quite novel. His no-woo-nonsense clarification and exersizes on meditation & what it does pretty much got me out of my clinical depression 4 years back..

Now thats not to say he doesn't have his own obvious shortcomings, intellectual blind spots and/or other flaws (massive irrational TDS and, untill very recenty, very dogmatic scientism are a few to mention).

But even from the point of a detractor, one would have to acknowledge the man is an intellectual heavyweight. Man's also very good with words.

He's also quite willing to engage and challenge his own perspectives…Its part of why I loved his back & forths with JP. Both are diametrical opposites in the field of epistemology and the human condition.. Yet they civilly hammered it out and both walk away the wiser. They even became good friends post hoc.
 
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